[I though I should open a new topic for this as the previous one was getting too long to open.]
Only original artwork created by the designer is allowed on this site.
The following logos are not allowed:
• Clipart or stock vectors are not allowed.
• Traces of images you do not own.
• Logos that closely resemble existing logos.
If you spot such a potential logo please send me an email, chat me up, or post the offending logo and a reference to the clipart or existing logo. Please only include necessary commentary.
Note: If you use Firefox, Google Chrome, IE or Safari, just visit www.tineye.com and install the plugin/extention. This way, with just a couple of clicks you can check any image for duplicates on the web. This is a very reliable way to find if a logo posted here contains a clipart or otherwise non unique (stolen) image.
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Both use the same stock logo - one is stretched vertically.
http://stocklogos.com/node/15844
USER: Benozaur - http://stocklogos.com/user/5660
http://stocklogos.com/node/36349
USER: ravray - http://stocklogos.com/user/10515
http://qvectors.net/abstract-vectors/colorful-logo-vector/
bottom left
Very good eye. ;-) LT would hire you as well as Ivan @ SL. ;-)
I'm a moderator on LT :) Free labor.
Oh yeah. ;-)
If they bought these vectors - and with no restrictions from the site - then the designer hasn't done anything wrong
That is not true. Most, if not all, stock art sites restrict use of licensed stock art for logos. A designer who uses stock art even having purchased rights to use does NOT have rights to SELL the artwork, they only have rights to use it.
Additionally, it is highly problematic for the buyer of the logo - they can not trademark the design, they will not own it, and there are likely other designs similar if not exactly alike their new logo.
I believe that stock logos has had to refund buyers when the a purchased logo turned out to be clipart. That's why SL requires that each upload is completely original.
When you submit a design you agree that you are the originator and sole owner of the artwork.
Agree.......
I am not sure about that. There sites that you can buy the clipart along with the permission to resell it (they receive cliparts in black color only). - of course these are very simple cliparts.
But I do agree about your saying for the buyers.
I am curious about the site you mentioned... link of an example?
Regardless of licenses it's critical that designers know the rules at SL. Per the contributor agreement:
The Supplier (designer) represents and warrants
~ ... has the right to grant ALL of the rights (not the case with ANY clipart)
~ ....the Logo Content is NOT based on photographs, scans, clip art, 3D renders, graphics or any creative work not created by Supplier; and the Logo Content is not substantially similar to any other illustrations, fonts or vector.
I've noticed fonts are mentioned there. Now does this mean that the many fonts used on this site all have to be your own? There are thousands of fonts used in logos on here, including my own, where the designer has no right to use or re sell. Maybe I'm nit picking but it's there none the less. : )
I think this is meant to cover dingbat use. I have seen 'designers' say that they didn't know it was against the rules because the graphic was a glyph from a 'font'
Not entirely true, designers can buy these stock pieces for a higher price and have the rights to re sell those vectors or images. BUT this still goes against the principles of good logo design and shouldn't be accepted here.
Not entirely true, designers can buy these stock pieces for a higher price and have the rights to re sell those vectors or images. BUT this still goes against the principles of good logo design and shouldn't be accepted here.
*totally not true.........designers need to read usage....many stock sites restrict usage as logo, font/image....so if you use dingbat....not allowed. istock will persue any designer who does not follow usage rites.
why would a *designer* NEED to use clipart/dingbat? we are artist...do we NOT create ?
That's not true mate, at dreamstime.com you can buy the exclusivity rights for a higher price, meaning you can re sell the vector or image. This is the same at shutterstock.
Shutterstock license:
YOU MAY NOT: Use any Image (in whole or in part) as a trademark, service mark, logo, or other indication of origin, or as part thereof , or to otherwise endorse or imply the endorsement of any goods and/or services.
DREAMSTIME RESTRICTION: the buyer may not claim that the file was created by him (which is what you do here on SL)
:))
Oh Cathy I love you too, mwah.
You didn't say for use as a trademark Nancy, you said to re sell, which you can do on both sites with a enhanced license. I know you can't use them for anything to be trademarked but if you wanted to use a vector on t shirt for resale you via a enhanced license. So, this means you can in fact re sell.
Check below, points 15,16. Can't re sell with a standard but can with enhanced.
http://www.shutterstock.com/license_comparison.mhtml?hsb=1
The same at Dreamstime
Why would we be talking about anything but logos here? Sorry, I assumed since that is all that is sold here, that would be a given. We are selling the rights to trademark logo designs - not tees etc.
My bad for not realizing that the convo had broadened beyond stocklogos.
You are correct, then.
My bad to lol.
Nancy is correct. The buyer thinks if the logo has been drawn by original logo designer and then they saw someone else uses the same graphic/stock art, then someone will gets sued. It's okay to use stock art/photos when designing different media such as newsletters, local magazines, direct mail, etc.
Except that the company buying the new logo from this site is doing so with the guarantee that the art is original and their logo won't be used by another company.
by 'stock sites', I am sorry, did not mean here.....I meant if someone used clipart, a dingbat....
clarification.
Here, customers purchase original works, one time, not resold. Designers need to adhere to the 'original' part, they are liable.... not stocklogos, not the client.
https://stocklogos.com/node/11028
http://qvectors.net/abstract-vectors/colorful-logo-vector/
bottom left
This Logo
http://stocklogos.com/node/32222
is also an "inspiration" from this one:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/13313963/2/istockphoto...
But i think it's greyzone ;-)
I think it is different enough to be their own thought.
agree!!
Not entirely true, designers can buy these stock pieces for a higher price and have the rights to re sell those vectors or images. BUT this still goes against the principles of good logo design and shouldn't be accepted here.
If any one needs clarification , I can post standard usage/extendend for big stock sites....
sorry for all the multiple post, getting used to forum...new...oopsie...
You don't get it at all!
When you sell logo, you have to sell FULL copyrights (to be able to do this you must own them) - so no one else will get ANY rights to use the same illustration.
[bitter irony]
....but on Stock Logos you are free to use cliparts. If you want make some money almost effortless (and share yours income with Admin) you are more than welcome. See some successful stories, like M.C.logos cliparts usage. Clients just love it and will buy it, coz it is cheap and good looking. Join us and increase your income!
i think everything should be created from scratch, no image use even if its bought by u, i like creating everyshape from scratch dont u do the same mw? these cliparts that sell are disgusting
LMAO
Oh boy, that was a good one.
I really appreciate your style ;)
user M.C.logos (http://stocklogos.com/user/8843) #7
http://stocklogos.com/node/32297
vs
http://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-13752113/stock-vector-bamboo-vector-i...
user: eye d (http://stocklogos.com/user/4031)
http://stocklogos.com/node/36193
http://goo.gl/UEulZ
user: creator (http://stocklogos.com/user/158)
http://stocklogos.com/node/2862
vs
http://www.tineye.com/search/c956c91acf89075823d795cc77004065334ce7bf/?p...
http://www.shutterstock.com./s/evolution/search.html#id=5050474
This logo is still not removed: http://stocklogos.com/node/35694
Here is the stock vector: http://www.youtoart.com/html/Vector/Other/9228.html
WOW!
User: bdavistxst
http://stocklogos.com/user/10547
http://stocklogos.com/node/36560
http://www.graphicsfactory.com/Clip_Art/People/Cowboys/cowboy_03-1026200...
http://vector-images.com/clipart.php?id=20358
User: Blixxxt http://stocklogos.com/user/2666
http://stocklogos.com/node/5341
vs
http://www.skyarts.co.uk/images/uploads/JLA%20logo.jpg
http://stocklogos.com/node/5385
vs
http://www.qohweddings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/camera.jpg
(sold)
The last one has been dealt with. Client got his money back.
Perhaps in the cases were a logo has sold by a designer knowingly using clipart or work that isn't theirs, they should be immediately banned? So two strikes and you're out if clipart is found in your repository. Immediate ban if you sell a logo as such.
User: shrek79 (http://stocklogos.com/user/9552)
http://stocklogos.com/node/35337
vs
http://beavercms.net/images/beaver.jpg?1255749518
i think stock should put you on the payroll. Logo Authenticator maybe? send Ivan a CV
even after your post... I see both of the logos posted on the brief.. !!!!!!!!!
You are right, this should be also removed
http://stocklogos.com/node/35056
trace of copyrighted photo
user: designworks
http://stocklogos.com/user/3833
http://stocklogos.com/node/10286
http://stocklogos.com/node/10287
http://www.kimzumwalt.com/5.html
Looks like it hasn't even been manually traced. Looks suspiciously like a trace tool to me! Double trouble.
I'd be screwed with my trace too in my job! Saves me many hours and headaches ;)
USER: tms
http://stocklogos.com/user/8484
http://stocklogos.com/node/27671
http://www.spiral.pk/
http://lindseyburke.squarespace.com/
http://www.fthdpub.com/
Geeeesh! LOL
Wow... the last one is exactly.
DET http://stocklogos.com/user/6858
http://stocklogos.com/node/36333
vs
http://www.amazon.com/Genius-Shakespeare-Anniversary-Jonathan-Bate/dp/01...
Designer also has duplicate logos in his/her portfolio, eg literary films.
http://stocklogos.com/node/36940
vs
http://www.tattoosdaily.com/shark-tattoos/
Not the same by far :-D
(.... so maaaaaany sharks in this position!)
?
There is nothing to represent the same, except that both symbols of a shark in a similar position.
http://www.tattoosdaily.com/shark-tattoos/shark-tattoos-215449_0603.jpg
This one is definitely the same. The first link you gave was way different.
Oh... I just checked again – just had to scroll down LOL
;)
oh, lol, ok ---> I only see the first one !!!
i made the same mistake :)
user: justoverclock (http://stocklogos.com/user/6451)
shark tattoo mentioned above
If a user used a tatoo for a logo maybe he used something similar for the rest of his logos... He has a lion a deer and an elephant. Since he couldnt draw the shart maybe its the same for these animal drawings. all suspicious.
This logo http://stocklogos.com/node/27499 reminds me an awful lot of President Obama's campaign logo.
http://www.signatureillustration.org/illustration-blog/2008/12/obama-mcc...
Not the same :) - it's differnet enough-
Definitely not the same, only resemblance is that is has a circle and lines
http://stocklogos.com/node/37899
http://freelogoonline.com/eco-tour/
THIS SHOULD BE AN INSTANT BAN!
This designer isn't using clipart (that I know of), but there at least four of the same design uploaded, just with different type arrangements.
http://stocklogos.com/user/6858
I suspect the designer is editing existing designs with reuploads of the same design. We don't need four copies of the same logo for one designer to sell.
If you notice almost all of his designs are doublicated.. I was wondering how the admin could not see this.. these logos are next to each other (so that means that the uploading time of each logo are very close to each other)
but this is not something necessary bad - for me it means that the site has to give us the ability to add logo variations (more images for the same logo) in order to show to the client the alternatives of the logo.
just my opinion..
I agree. This designer is only showing different variations of a logo and I think it would be great if variations could be shown on same page. Let's face it, some clients can't even visualize what it might look like in B&W.
I asked him to remove duplicates.
What about logo variations? Is it in your "to do" list??
Yes, that's what I meant by duplicates, I asked him to remove variations.
What we mean is: to be allowed to show the client different variations, without uploading similar logo 4x
i.e. one logo, with capability to link to variations of it.
We will have this option soon. You will be able to upload additional images to any logo to show variation or uses.
YAY!!!
Ok then! :)
Hopefully, the designer is allowed to keep the various versions of opened briefs?
I have similar versions on one brief because the client is asking to see different variations. Sometimes I just to a complete override, but in this case I think it is beneficial to keep them all so the client can make a comparison.
way too close to this logo - I recognized it right away:
http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/45934
http://stocklogos.com/node/17210
But they added antennae! ;-)
http://stocklogos.com/node/21650
vs.
http://www.clker.com/clipart-25981.html
If that's the source the designer used, they altered the drawing quite a bit. Kind of a gray area to me.
https://stocklogos.com/node/38157
http://www.studio-modern.by/media/catalog/art/45%2022.jpg
http://stocklogos.com/logo/boodog
vs
http://a2zdecalz.com/dog_breeds_stickers_decals_vinyl.html (second row)
Wow, a google image search shows a lot of businesses using that dog!
yep
I thought photographs weren't allowed. This is definitely not a redraw, you can see that by being flipped the phone number info is backwards.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/labrador-low-loaders
im intrigued too
http://stocklogos.com/logo/nrg-0
vs.
http://www.skitatry.sk/shop.php (image 3)
It is a tracing from the above image
Tracing a photo is fine I think providing it's actually been drawn and not auto-traced. You could argue that it should be your image that you trace, but how many of us have photo's of us skiing? If someone is prepared to spend the time and actually draw something like this, then in essence it is their creation. Is it really any different from doing a life drawing from a subject on a table for example? You still drawing from something you've observed.
Stocklogo's site rules clearly state that we can't have any likeness of similarity to existing persons or people etc. So if someone simply takes a photo and auto-traces it, or does a threshold type effect but doesn't change it, then it should be in violation of the site rules. I've been caught out by this myself, having done a logo using a photo and not changing it enough. Using a photo to trace and making a silhouette is fine really. We shouldn't encourage it, but if you need a source that's quite specific to a brief etc, then all we have are photos to work from sometimes. There are sites that offer copyright free photos to use, so they would be the better choice if you have to do it.
If anyone needs copyright free or copyright lite images to use, try: http://www.sxc.hu/
Also, many of these stock clipart silhouettes we could use have probably been done in the same way. Just a thought.
ur allowed to autotrace photos u own
Well, I agree with you, but when I first started on this site, I had to remove logos that were drawn that way.
It does depend on how similar they are to the original. A silhouette is just that, and can come from anywhere. If you can identify a drawing to a particular image, then that is where issues lie. It's a grey area for sure, with no clear answer.
good to know, thanks.
Man in logo: http://stocklogos.com/logo/dn-property-group-3
vs
http://vector4free.com/vectors/search/businessman/
users been banned, he now operates under the name RetroX
???? This was under name Anthony Horne
Not so much a violation, just a duplicate logo with 2 different sets of tags: http://stocklogos.com/user/9295
Free logo downloaded from here: http://freelogoonline.com/most-downloaded/?did=36
is stretched out a bit (etc) and put here: http://stocklogos.com/logo/blind-concept
(stumbled across both of these today by pure coincidence...)
Oh dear! Is this this designers second strike?
AFAIK it's his third or even fourth strike.
Thought so. I remember looking at the designers page when the first flag came up. Some people never seem to learn :/
Wow, (s)he didn't even take the trouble to change the colors.
or the name!
I know...or the name.
Now I saw NancyCarterDesigns first post on this page, it´s still a logo from the same person - Ravray - http://stocklogos.com/logo/abstract-flower that hasn´t been removed that looks an awful lot to me like some free logo/vector art on this page that Nancy linked to: http://qvectors.net/abstract-vectors/colorful-logo-vector/
It´s the ad "Colorful by MyStocklogo.com", the middle row to the far right.
You're right! That flower design has been stretched horizontally, but otherwise unchanged. What's especially sad is that it wouldn't take that long to actually create that design in Illustrator.
Thanks! He's now banned.
Here's another.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/abc-corp
http://freelogoonline.com/dig-corporation/
They're like roaches:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/photography-1
http://freelogoonline.com/anonymous-photography/
Wow...seems like he/she had his/her whole own private logo supply there! :/ Anyways, I saw this person is banned now, seems like the only right thing to do when you already got a second (third, fourth?) chance, as I understand it.
It's sad because these kind of people make us all look bad.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/nerd
see comments, looks like this logo has been copied by someone else and posted to Deviantart. I know it's a little off-topic since the logo here on stocklogos is legitimate, and the infringing one is on Deviantart (compare the submition date here and on Deviantart, stocklogos' submition is older)
Do you have a link to the deviantart page?
it's on the stocklogo's comment
http://smeez2003.deviantart.com/art/Nerd-Logo-191876358
hmmmm....way to close/inspired by
https://stocklogos.com/logo/logovigor
ORIGINAL DESIGN
http://www.brandtub.com/2010/08/shadees/
definite similarity, but different enough it might just be coincidence.
Same logo concepts
http://stocklogos.com/logo/hardware-cafe
&
http://stocklogos.com/logo/hardware-cafe-2
What are the rules for that kind of almost-duplicate? Do both stay up until one is sold, then the other gets deleted?
No! just can be one, admin will suggest to designer remove one of them.
Yes, I removed one.
EDIT:
Thank you TJNSL11 for clearing that up. Text removed
EDIT
Cheers,
Ricky.
Looks like it's been removed, says Page Can't Be Found
Thank you admin.
Hi rsl,
I believe you may have been talking about the design I submitted. I removed it myself. I came up with the same concept as you and it was very similar to yours but it was created without ever seeing yours. In fact it was created and waiting for approval before any logos had been posted yet for that brief. After mine was posted and I saw yours and the comments others had made about your logo I removed mine to avoid any controversy. I was accused by someone else in a brief awhile back of stealing her idea, and it simply was not the case, we just happen to come up with 2 similar ideas independent of one another. This is bound to happen from time to time in these briefs and is one reason why I likes briefs from other sites better where only the designer and the client can see each others comments and designs. I think this greatly helps limit these misunderstanding between designers. I just wanted to let you know that I did not copy you or try to take advantage of that situation. Hope you win that brief.
Thanks
Hi Tjnsl11,
First, let me start by saying I hope my post didn't cause any offence. I chose my words very carefully, as I didn't want it to come off aggressive and accusational. I was merely seeking confirmation from a member of admin.
I had posted an image to my unapproved version, and with the comments about 2D and shadow, I became a little suspicious. But on reflection, I can see how, given the fact that the company name is 4 square printers, that most designs are going to consist of 4 squares of CMYK, rearranged in some format. I too like the idea of having blind bids, per other sites, as it does mean that all ideas are definitely original.
I will edit out the text in the previous post as well.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the removal of your logo.
Regards,
Ricky.
Thanks Rickey, I appreciate that, no offense was taken to your comments. I just wanted you to know what actually happened in this case. Good luck to you in the future and thanks for understanding.
TJN
How is it that this user is banned, but this logo is still up?
http://stocklogos.com/logo/my-butterfly
Banned means he can't upload more logos, but his logos remain on the site and he will be payed for them if he sell unless he requests them to be pulled.
Traced from a stock photo:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/listenme
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4381660-businessman-shouting-in-a...
I liked that one too... frustrating.
When I see one logo on a designer's page that looks completely unlike anything else they've done it makes me suspicious. It makes me kind of sad, since the rest of her designs are pretty good and it looks like she drew them.
Yeah, I know what you mean about stuff standing out looking different to a designers other work. This is quite an early design though if memory serves me right, and predates the whole discussion about the rights and wrongs of using vectorised photos. Not an issue in of itself if a designer uses their own photography to do it, but using stock work obviously isn't. I've been caught out by this myself.
I've been out of art school for 30 years now, so I started way before computer graphics. We were always told to only use our own photos as reference unless we were going to change them significantly. I think there's an attitude now that anything you find on the web is free. There are even a lot of clients who think that anything you find on google images can be used commercially.
That is so 100% true. It's not seen as theft because the items themselves are not tangible physical things. They're just bits of data, that easily replaceable if lost, or ironically... stolen :)
I have clients ask me to use images they pull from the internet all the time. I have to explain to them why I can not do that, because they have no clue that they are doing anything wrong.
I had a boss once, a pretty religious guy, who didn't understand the concept of intellectual property. When I bought a piece of software that turned out to be not what I needed, I told him I was returning it. His response was, "Will you make a copy before you return the disc?"
Knockoff of Crabtree & Evelyn's logo:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/pegpese-8
http://www.dining-out.co.za/member_menu.asp?MemberID=3402
Well It is obviously that this was his inspiration.. but user Evgeniugroup has done very good job with this logo. It's different enough. - Much better I can tell!!
I think it's way too close to call it "inspiration." I'm guessing that Crabtree & Evelyn would have a cease and desist order out to whoever buys it.
Then let's wait what others will say... I think it's ok though.
Looks like it's still up, so I guess the mods have no problem with it. I think it really stuck out to me because I used to work for a retail packaging company that did work for C&E. We actually used a red and green version of their logo for some holiday-themed shopping bags. Unfortunately, it was a long time ago and I can't find an example of this usage on the web.
http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-109918p1.html#id=51056212 bottom left
http://stocklogos.com/logo/classic-business-logo
Some almost-duplicates here:
http://stocklogos.com/user/11230
http://stocklogos.com/logo/oakwell
http://www.clker.com/clipart-13124.html
I just logged in to report the same one. I'm always suspicious when a logo is out of character with everything else on a designer's page.
ah thats mine i honestly didn't get it from that clip art page but obviously this isn't allowed i'll take it down. damn i feel silly now.
You and the clip art people might have gotten it from the same source. It's pretty clear the rest of your logos are original drawings.
pretty similar, but not equals.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/gentlemans-ride
vs
http://stocklogos.com/logo/full-control-motion-pictures
It's not like you can draw this a whole lot of different ways – even if it was almost exactly the same, there were only so many models made of this type of bike. Kind of like drawing a star.
Thanks, it's not a copy. This is how this object looks like.
I have 1 like this too, so?
http://stocklogos.com/logo/vintage
I don't see what the issue is here? These a logos with illustrations of Penny Farthing bicycles. Nearly all Penny Farthings look the same! Crazy even to debate this really ;)
yeah thats what i was tryna say lol
http://movies-dillonjacobrandall.blogspot.com/2011/03/lipstick-print.html
http://stocklogos.com/logo/ebeauty#new
http://stocklogos.com/logo/ebeauty-6
Pretty pricey for a downloaded graphic and some type.
Which one is used specifically? I can't recognize. Sorry
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/105738/2/istockphoto_1...
Thanks. Removed.
Doesn't seem right.... same logo suggested in 3 separate briefs:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/seitenknistern-kids-book-festival
http://stocklogos.com/logo/524-group-advertising-promotional-products
http://stocklogos.com/logo/graphics-co-0
http://stocklogos.com/logo/graphics-co-1
http://stocklogos.com/logo/dog-logo
http://www.seeklogo.com/pitbull-syndicate-logo-109244.html
I verified. He own the original image.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/lemonhead
from a free vector silhouette:
http://www.snap2objects.com/2008/04/25/12-free-vector-businessman-silhou...
Changed enough? I don't know.
not changed enough, changing colour doesnt count as a change and 80% of the logo is stock, linch it!!
Well, the original didn't have a lemon for a head...
it doesnt matter, the rules state NO clipart, bottom line he's used clipart, its essentially "CLIPART" with a lemon head added, keyword CLIPART
And it seems admin agrees, logos gone
sooo even tho I know it was clipart, I was sad to see lemon head go. perhaps the designer can remake the concept without clipart.
That said, why is this one allowed to stay is lemon head was not? The clipart is not modified at all.
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-50265235/stock-vector-dance-vector-illus...
http://stocklogos.com/logo/dance-butterfly
A tracing of Bambi™.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/time-4-youth
http://www.disneyclips.com/imagesnewb5/bambi.html
omgosh!
Some duplicates here: http://stocklogos.com/user/timm
Something's fishy.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/tunalogo01
http://stocklogos.com/logo/atun-company
Looks like they both used the same clip art.
I couldn't find it on the vector art sites. I was wondering if they might be the same person using different account names. One of them used it twice.
This one too http://stocklogos.com/logo/tunalogo02
Awfully similar:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/graphics-co-1
http://stocklogos.com/logo/elegant-home-carpets
Could be coincidence, after all they are just squares arranged in a circular fashion. I'm seeing all sorts of logos using this sort of a 'feel':
http://stocklogos.com/logo/ebeauty-cosmetics-10
http://stocklogos.com/logo/lotus-spa
Admittedly, the ones you pointed out are way more similar, but...
Should just ban this guy immediately! Checked with brandstack designer - does not have an acct here.
http://brandstack.com/logo-design/details/29961
http://stocklogos.com/logo/petshop
Yes, he's already banned based on the designer's chat. Thanks
Thanks for the prompt action!
It might be time for Part 8. This thread is getting long!