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Please help us find logos that may violate site rules — Part 7

admin Thu, 07/07/2011 - 21:52

[I though I should open a new topic for this as the previous one was getting too long to open.]

Only original artwork created by the designer is allowed on this site.

The following logos are not allowed:
• Clipart or stock vectors are not allowed.
• Traces of images you do not own.
• Logos that closely resemble existing logos.

If you spot such a potential logo please send me an email, chat me up, or post the offending logo and a reference to the clipart or existing logo. Please only include necessary commentary.

Note: If you use Firefox, Google Chrome, IE or Safari, just visit www.tineye.com and install the plugin/extention. This way, with just a couple of clicks you can check any image for duplicates on the web. This is a very reliable way to find if a logo posted here contains a clipart or otherwise non unique (stolen) image.

182 Comments

Graphics Afoot Studio Design's picture

Very good eye. ;-) LT would hire you as well as Ivan @ SL. ;-)

Black n White's picture

If they bought these vectors - and with no restrictions from the site - then the designer hasn't done anything wrong

NancyCarterDesign's picture

That is not true. Most, if not all, stock art sites restrict use of licensed stock art for logos. A designer who uses stock art even having purchased rights to use does NOT have rights to SELL the artwork, they only have rights to use it.

Additionally, it is highly problematic for the buyer of the logo - they can not trademark the design, they will not own it, and there are likely other designs similar if not exactly alike their new logo.

I believe that stock logos has had to refund buyers when the a purchased logo turned out to be clipart. That's why SL requires that each upload is completely original.

When you submit a design you agree that you are the originator and sole owner of the artwork.

Applex's picture

Agree.......

Black n White's picture

I am not sure about that. There sites that you can buy the clipart along with the permission to resell it (they receive cliparts in black color only). - of course these are very simple cliparts.

But I do agree about your saying for the buyers.

NancyCarterDesign's picture

I am curious about the site you mentioned... link of an example?

Regardless of licenses it's critical that designers know the rules at SL. Per the contributor agreement:

The Supplier (designer) represents and warrants
~ ... has the right to grant ALL of the rights (not the case with ANY clipart)
~ ....the Logo Content is NOT based on photographs, scans, clip art, 3D renders, graphics or any creative work not created by Supplier; and the Logo Content is not substantially similar to any other illustrations, fonts or vector.

ROCKADERO's picture

I've noticed fonts are mentioned there. Now does this mean that the many fonts used on this site all have to be your own? There are thousands of fonts used in logos on here, including my own, where the designer has no right to use or re sell. Maybe I'm nit picking but it's there none the less. : )

NancyCarterDesign's picture

I think this is meant to cover dingbat use. I have seen 'designers' say that they didn't know it was against the rules because the graphic was a glyph from a 'font'

ROCKADERO's picture

Not entirely true, designers can buy these stock pieces for a higher price and have the rights to re sell those vectors or images. BUT this still goes against the principles of good logo design and shouldn't be accepted here.

rinaldidesignstudio's picture

Not entirely true, designers can buy these stock pieces for a higher price and have the rights to re sell those vectors or images. BUT this still goes against the principles of good logo design and shouldn't be accepted here.

*totally not true.........designers need to read usage....many stock sites restrict usage as logo, font/image....so if you use dingbat....not allowed. istock will persue any designer who does not follow usage rites.

why would a *designer* NEED to use clipart/dingbat? we are artist...do we NOT create ?

ROCKADERO's picture

That's not true mate, at dreamstime.com you can buy the exclusivity rights for a higher price, meaning you can re sell the vector or image. This is the same at shutterstock.

NancyCarterDesign's picture

Shutterstock license:
YOU MAY NOT: Use any Image (in whole or in part) as a trademark, service mark, logo, or other indication of origin, or as part thereof , or to otherwise endorse or imply the endorsement of any goods and/or services.

DREAMSTIME RESTRICTION: the buyer may not claim that the file was created by him (which is what you do here on SL)

ROCKADERO's picture

Oh Cathy I love you too, mwah.

ROCKADERO's picture

You didn't say for use as a trademark Nancy, you said to re sell, which you can do on both sites with a enhanced license. I know you can't use them for anything to be trademarked but if you wanted to use a vector on t shirt for resale you via a enhanced license. So, this means you can in fact re sell.

Check below, points 15,16. Can't re sell with a standard but can with enhanced.

http://www.shutterstock.com/license_comparison.mhtml?hsb=1

The same at Dreamstime

NancyCarterDesign's picture

Why would we be talking about anything but logos here? Sorry, I assumed since that is all that is sold here, that would be a given. We are selling the rights to trademark logo designs - not tees etc.

My bad for not realizing that the convo had broadened beyond stocklogos.

You are correct, then.

ROCKADERO's picture

My bad to lol.

Graphics Afoot Studio Design's picture

Nancy is correct. The buyer thinks if the logo has been drawn by original logo designer and then they saw someone else uses the same graphic/stock art, then someone will gets sued. It's okay to use stock art/photos when designing different media such as newsletters, local magazines, direct mail, etc.

AKMulligan's picture

Except that the company buying the new logo from this site is doing so with the guarantee that the art is original and their logo won't be used by another company.

rinaldidesignstudio's picture

by 'stock sites', I am sorry, did not mean here.....I meant if someone used clipart, a dingbat....

clarification.

Here, customers purchase original works, one time, not resold. Designers need to adhere to the 'original' part, they are liable.... not stocklogos, not the client.

Avalikmom's picture

I think it is different enough to be their own thought.

rinaldidesignstudio's picture

Not entirely true, designers can buy these stock pieces for a higher price and have the rights to re sell those vectors or images. BUT this still goes against the principles of good logo design and shouldn't be accepted here.

If any one needs clarification , I can post standard usage/extendend for big stock sites....

sorry for all the multiple post, getting used to forum...new...oopsie...

MW design's picture

You don't get it at all!
When you sell logo, you have to sell FULL copyrights (to be able to do this you must own them) - so no one else will get ANY rights to use the same illustration.

MW design's picture

[bitter irony]

....but on Stock Logos you are free to use cliparts. If you want make some money almost effortless (and share yours income with Admin) you are more than welcome. See some successful stories, like M.C.logos cliparts usage. Clients just love it and will buy it, coz it is cheap and good looking. Join us and increase your income!

skoomz's picture

i think everything should be created from scratch, no image use even if its bought by u, i like creating everyshape from scratch dont u do the same mw? these cliparts that sell are disgusting

MW design's picture

LMAO
Oh boy, that was a good one.
I really appreciate your style ;)

admin's picture

The last one has been dealt with. Client got his money back.

Phunkmonster's picture

Perhaps in the cases were a logo has sold by a designer knowingly using clipart or work that isn't theirs, they should be immediately banned? So two strikes and you're out if clipart is found in your repository. Immediate ban if you sell a logo as such.

skoomz's picture

i think stock should put you on the payroll. Logo Authenticator maybe? send Ivan a CV

Black n White's picture

even after your post... I see both of the logos posted on the brief.. !!!!!!!!!

mccmedia's picture

Looks like it hasn't even been manually traced. Looks suspiciously like a trace tool to me! Double trouble.

Phunkmonster's picture

I'd be screwed with my trace too in my job! Saves me many hours and headaches ;)

Pizpiretarts's picture

Wow... the last one is exactly.

mccmedia's picture

Designer also has duplicate logos in his/her portfolio, eg literary films.

XBlueDivision's picture

Not the same by far :-D
(.... so maaaaaany sharks in this position!)

Applex's picture

?

XBlueDivision's picture

There is nothing to represent the same, except that both symbols of a shark in a similar position.

Avalikmom's picture

This one is definitely the same. The first link you gave was way different.

Oh... I just checked again – just had to scroll down LOL

Applex's picture

;)

XBlueDivision's picture

oh, lol, ok ---> I only see the first one !!!

skoomz's picture

i made the same mistake :)

Black n White's picture

If a user used a tatoo for a logo maybe he used something similar for the rest of his logos... He has a lion a deer and an elephant. Since he couldnt draw the shart maybe its the same for these animal drawings. all suspicious.

Black n White's picture

Not the same :) - it's differnet enough-

Avalikmom's picture

Definitely not the same, only resemblance is that is has a circle and lines

skoomz's picture

THIS SHOULD BE AN INSTANT BAN!

Phunkmonster's picture

This designer isn't using clipart (that I know of), but there at least four of the same design uploaded, just with different type arrangements.

http://stocklogos.com/user/6858

I suspect the designer is editing existing designs with reuploads of the same design. We don't need four copies of the same logo for one designer to sell.

Black n White's picture

If you notice almost all of his designs are doublicated.. I was wondering how the admin could not see this.. these logos are next to each other (so that means that the uploading time of each logo are very close to each other)

but this is not something necessary bad - for me it means that the site has to give us the ability to add logo variations (more images for the same logo) in order to show to the client the alternatives of the logo.
just my opinion..

Avalikmom's picture

I agree. This designer is only showing different variations of a logo and I think it would be great if variations could be shown on same page. Let's face it, some clients can't even visualize what it might look like in B&W.

admin's picture

I asked him to remove duplicates.

Black n White's picture

What about logo variations? Is it in your "to do" list??

admin's picture

Yes, that's what I meant by duplicates, I asked him to remove variations.

Avalikmom's picture

What we mean is: to be allowed to show the client different variations, without uploading similar logo 4x
i.e. one logo, with capability to link to variations of it.

admin's picture

We will have this option soon. You will be able to upload additional images to any logo to show variation or uses.

spicy's picture

YAY!!!

Avalikmom's picture

Hopefully, the designer is allowed to keep the various versions of opened briefs?

I have similar versions on one brief because the client is asking to see different variations. Sometimes I just to a complete override, but in this case I think it is beneficial to keep them all so the client can make a comparison.

AKMulligan's picture

But they added antennae! ;-)

AKMulligan's picture

If that's the source the designer used, they altered the drawing quite a bit. Kind of a gray area to me.

AKMulligan's picture

Wow, a google image search shows a lot of businesses using that dog!

skoomz's picture

im intrigued too

Phunkmonster's picture

Tracing a photo is fine I think providing it's actually been drawn and not auto-traced. You could argue that it should be your image that you trace, but how many of us have photo's of us skiing? If someone is prepared to spend the time and actually draw something like this, then in essence it is their creation. Is it really any different from doing a life drawing from a subject on a table for example? You still drawing from something you've observed.

Stocklogo's site rules clearly state that we can't have any likeness of similarity to existing persons or people etc. So if someone simply takes a photo and auto-traces it, or does a threshold type effect but doesn't change it, then it should be in violation of the site rules. I've been caught out by this myself, having done a logo using a photo and not changing it enough. Using a photo to trace and making a silhouette is fine really. We shouldn't encourage it, but if you need a source that's quite specific to a brief etc, then all we have are photos to work from sometimes. There are sites that offer copyright free photos to use, so they would be the better choice if you have to do it.

If anyone needs copyright free or copyright lite images to use, try: http://www.sxc.hu/

Also, many of these stock clipart silhouettes we could use have probably been done in the same way. Just a thought.

skoomz's picture

ur allowed to autotrace photos u own

Avalikmom's picture

Well, I agree with you, but when I first started on this site, I had to remove logos that were drawn that way.

Phunkmonster's picture

It does depend on how similar they are to the original. A silhouette is just that, and can come from anywhere. If you can identify a drawing to a particular image, then that is where issues lie. It's a grey area for sure, with no clear answer.

Avalikmom's picture

good to know, thanks.

skoomz's picture

users been banned, he now operates under the name RetroX

Avalikmom's picture

???? This was under name Anthony Horne

Phunkmonster's picture

Oh dear! Is this this designers second strike?

molumen's picture

AFAIK it's his third or even fourth strike.

Phunkmonster's picture

Thought so. I remember looking at the designers page when the first flag came up. Some people never seem to learn :/

AKMulligan's picture

Wow, (s)he didn't even take the trouble to change the colors.

Avalikmom's picture

or the name!

AKMulligan's picture

You're right! That flower design has been stretched horizontally, but otherwise unchanged. What's especially sad is that it wouldn't take that long to actually create that design in Illustrator.

admin's picture

Thanks! He's now banned.

artifolia's picture

Wow...seems like he/she had his/her whole own private logo supply there! :/ Anyways, I saw this person is banned now, seems like the only right thing to do when you already got a second (third, fourth?) chance, as I understand it.

AKMulligan's picture

It's sad because these kind of people make us all look bad.

molumen's picture

http://stocklogos.com/logo/nerd
see comments, looks like this logo has been copied by someone else and posted to Deviantart. I know it's a little off-topic since the logo here on stocklogos is legitimate, and the infringing one is on Deviantart (compare the submition date here and on Deviantart, stocklogos' submition is older)

AKMulligan's picture

Do you have a link to the deviantart page?

Fidel's picture

it's on the stocklogo's comment

Avalikmom's picture

definite similarity, but different enough it might just be coincidence.

AKMulligan's picture

What are the rules for that kind of almost-duplicate? Do both stay up until one is sold, then the other gets deleted?

shanok's picture

No! just can be one, admin will suggest to designer remove one of them.

admin's picture

Yes, I removed one.

rsl designs's picture

EDIT:

Thank you TJNSL11 for clearing that up. Text removed

EDIT

Cheers,

Ricky.

Avalikmom's picture

Looks like it's been removed, says Page Can't Be Found

TJNSL11's picture

Hi rsl,
I believe you may have been talking about the design I submitted. I removed it myself. I came up with the same concept as you and it was very similar to yours but it was created without ever seeing yours. In fact it was created and waiting for approval before any logos had been posted yet for that brief. After mine was posted and I saw yours and the comments others had made about your logo I removed mine to avoid any controversy. I was accused by someone else in a brief awhile back of stealing her idea, and it simply was not the case, we just happen to come up with 2 similar ideas independent of one another. This is bound to happen from time to time in these briefs and is one reason why I likes briefs from other sites better where only the designer and the client can see each others comments and designs. I think this greatly helps limit these misunderstanding between designers. I just wanted to let you know that I did not copy you or try to take advantage of that situation. Hope you win that brief.
Thanks

rsl designs's picture

Hi Tjnsl11,

First, let me start by saying I hope my post didn't cause any offence. I chose my words very carefully, as I didn't want it to come off aggressive and accusational. I was merely seeking confirmation from a member of admin.

I had posted an image to my unapproved version, and with the comments about 2D and shadow, I became a little suspicious. But on reflection, I can see how, given the fact that the company name is 4 square printers, that most designs are going to consist of 4 squares of CMYK, rearranged in some format. I too like the idea of having blind bids, per other sites, as it does mean that all ideas are definitely original.

I will edit out the text in the previous post as well.

Thank you for taking the time to explain the removal of your logo.

Regards,

Ricky.

TJNSL11's picture

Thanks Rickey, I appreciate that, no offense was taken to your comments. I just wanted you to know what actually happened in this case. Good luck to you in the future and thanks for understanding.
TJN

admin's picture

Banned means he can't upload more logos, but his logos remain on the site and he will be payed for them if he sell unless he requests them to be pulled.

Phunkmonster's picture

I liked that one too... frustrating.

AKMulligan's picture

When I see one logo on a designer's page that looks completely unlike anything else they've done it makes me suspicious. It makes me kind of sad, since the rest of her designs are pretty good and it looks like she drew them.

Phunkmonster's picture

Yeah, I know what you mean about stuff standing out looking different to a designers other work. This is quite an early design though if memory serves me right, and predates the whole discussion about the rights and wrongs of using vectorised photos. Not an issue in of itself if a designer uses their own photography to do it, but using stock work obviously isn't. I've been caught out by this myself.

AKMulligan's picture

I've been out of art school for 30 years now, so I started way before computer graphics. We were always told to only use our own photos as reference unless we were going to change them significantly. I think there's an attitude now that anything you find on the web is free. There are even a lot of clients who think that anything you find on google images can be used commercially.

Phunkmonster's picture

That is so 100% true. It's not seen as theft because the items themselves are not tangible physical things. They're just bits of data, that easily replaceable if lost, or ironically... stolen :)

TJNSL11's picture

I have clients ask me to use images they pull from the internet all the time. I have to explain to them why I can not do that, because they have no clue that they are doing anything wrong.

AKMulligan's picture

I had a boss once, a pretty religious guy, who didn't understand the concept of intellectual property. When I bought a piece of software that turned out to be not what I needed, I told him I was returning it. His response was, "Will you make a copy before you return the disc?"

Black n White's picture

Well It is obviously that this was his inspiration.. but user Evgeniugroup has done very good job with this logo. It's different enough. - Much better I can tell!!

AKMulligan's picture

I think it's way too close to call it "inspiration." I'm guessing that Crabtree & Evelyn would have a cease and desist order out to whoever buys it.

Black n White's picture

Then let's wait what others will say... I think it's ok though.

AKMulligan's picture

Looks like it's still up, so I guess the mods have no problem with it. I think it really stuck out to me because I used to work for a retail packaging company that did work for C&E. We actually used a red and green version of their logo for some holiday-themed shopping bags. Unfortunately, it was a long time ago and I can't find an example of this usage on the web.

AKMulligan's picture

I just logged in to report the same one. I'm always suspicious when a logo is out of character with everything else on a designer's page.

elliottleedesign's picture

ah thats mine i honestly didn't get it from that clip art page but obviously this isn't allowed i'll take it down. damn i feel silly now.

AKMulligan's picture

You and the clip art people might have gotten it from the same source. It's pretty clear the rest of your logos are original drawings.

Avalikmom's picture

It's not like you can draw this a whole lot of different ways – even if it was almost exactly the same, there were only so many models made of this type of bike. Kind of like drawing a star.

admin's picture

Thanks, it's not a copy. This is how this object looks like.

Phunkmonster's picture

I don't see what the issue is here? These a logos with illustrations of Penny Farthing bicycles. Nearly all Penny Farthings look the same! Crazy even to debate this really ;)

skoomz's picture

yeah thats what i was tryna say lol

AKMulligan's picture

Pretty pricey for a downloaded graphic and some type.

admin's picture

Which one is used specifically? I can't recognize. Sorry

admin's picture

Thanks. Removed.

admin's picture

I verified. He own the original image.

skoomz's picture

not changed enough, changing colour doesnt count as a change and 80% of the logo is stock, linch it!!

AKMulligan's picture

Well, the original didn't have a lemon for a head...

skoomz's picture

it doesnt matter, the rules state NO clipart, bottom line he's used clipart, its essentially "CLIPART" with a lemon head added, keyword CLIPART

And it seems admin agrees, logos gone

Avalikmom's picture

Looks like they both used the same clip art.

AKMulligan's picture

I couldn't find it on the vector art sites. I was wondering if they might be the same person using different account names. One of them used it twice.

admin's picture

Yes, he's already banned based on the designer's chat. Thanks

AKMulligan's picture

It might be time for Part 8. This thread is getting long!