Just wanted to shout a huge "CONGRATSSS!!!1!!1!" to Melanie D, as she rocks the sales on stocklogos.com these few last weeks. I'm following her progress here on the site since she joined the community and I really love her style, lots of her logos are listed among my favorites. I am very glad to see that clients are purchasing her logotypes.
Keep up the good work Melanie! :)
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Agreed. Well done! Now, let me in on your secret ;)
yeah man shes clocked like $1500 in a week. bitch hahahaha just kidding :)
woot!
She's really catching up with some of the other top sellers lately with 20 logos sold so far, and pulled ahead of princess Nancy and prince Xbluedivision this week.
Molumen is king with 43.
LOGOSOUL (look-look) sold 36.
SheynStudio sold 27.
And there are many of us with over 10.
She's on a roll. Just sold another one.
Thanks so much Molumen for your kind words of support, I really appreciate it. This is a really nice site, with so many kind people in this StockLogo's community. There's so much talent on this site with such a wide array of designs and styles and it's a pleasure to be among so many great designers and talent. Congrats to you also Molumen for all of your success.
Thanks again,
Melanie
Melanie, Hats off to you! :)
Thanks Nekiy!
Yes a great designer and definitely deserves all the credit she gets, nice one Melanie !!
Thank you Rockadero!
Great designer, well deserved. Congrats again!
I agree, well deserved! Congrats to you Melanie! :)
Thank you guys
Congrats Melanie. Well deserved, you have many nice logos.
Yep, I'm a big fan of Melanie's work, she achieves just the right balance of light-hearted wit with corporate credibility. Congrats :)
Thanks Avalikmom & Mr Smith for your kind words!
Melanie Is a great designer with unique ideas and flawless execution. My respect. But i wonder couldn't you just send her e-mail saying how great her work is and say thank you for participating in stocklogos instead of posting this topic.
Anyway. I don't have nothing against anyone here but i see how the politics of the site could bring it down. It's a kind of related to the exposure of designers on staff faves but i don't care about who and how many logos has there. My concern is that if some people have logos on the front page all the time and i don't i go and spend more time elsewhere where everyone has equal chances. My point is i don't feel i can sell like Nancy or Melanie because they have advantage so i'll leave out of here and work somewhere else. And i'm probably not one who thinks this way. Again i don't have nothing agaianst Melanie or Nancy and i can only be glad for them. But since the site is getting to work for them i leave it. I could spend more time here working on brief or just making my designs for general library but the very slow process here doesn't worth it.
Here's a tip for everyone who wants more exposure - submit logos every day. Not at once but periodically. This way you will have logos on the front page all the time and exposure of your work.
Again congratulations to everyone who sells logos throught stocklogos. The bad part of my comment is to admin and politics of the site. Soon this treatment of the designers will make many of them leave. Just my point of view. Good luck everyone.
Regards.
Exposure does lead to more sales without question. But also good logos lead to more exposure! In Mels case this is very true.
I'm not saying anything about her work. She's the only designer which logos i open in the briefs' comments and everytime i'm curious about how interesting design she has made.
Actually your logos are really good, especially the latest ones. The only suggestion is to make the symbols larger and the text smaller. They will sell faster.
Have you found another site you are moving on to? Your prediction is probably accurate.
It doesn't look like it so far and I will certainly do everything in my power to make designers happy. We have more new designers and new logo submissions than ever. We are the fastest growing site right now.
Re: "The bad part of my comment is to admin and politics of the site. Soon this treatment of the designers will make many of them leave."
What politics and what bad treatment? Can you be more specific so I can resolve whatever the problem is?
Here are a couple of brief answers to your questions:
I wrote this topic because as part of the stocklogos.com community, I think it is great to feature the brightest sellers we have here so others can see and learn from the best. Also, I don't have any other means of contacting Melanie and great her personally.
About your opinion on the 'politics' of stocklogos: this site's policy on staff favorites has been greatly discussed over weeks and months and if you take the time to look through the forum, you'll get all the answers you need. But let me help you a little:
- producing great and original logos will get you into the staff favorites section.
- being in the staff favorites section DOES NOT ENSURE a faster sell or greater overall amount of sales.
- leaving the site is totally your right and if you choose so, there is little we can do to stop you. But instead you could sit down and analyse the situation (what's wrong with my logos, my pricing, or is it because I don't tweet my logos? Does anyone knows about me and my works in the vast ocean called Internet?). Do my logos have a good enough description? I can tell you a small secret: lots of my recent sales were made because I rewrote lots of my logotype's descriptions, and teweted tons of them. So self-advertising is a great way to make sales.
Submiting logos every day is great, but don't forget that a strong and clever description is the key to sales. Clients search for logos with keywords, Google searches among logos based on keywords. So if you submit a couple of logos every day and hope to sell them while they are on the front page, you are actualy kinda wrong. Only a few logotypes were sold this way.
ghostd7, you have great abstract logos with poor descriptions and high prices. Improve these and IMO you surely will get sales.
Good luck!
At last a voice of reason!
Can you tell me where I'm going wrong too?
rockadero,
if you want to sell logotypes, you have to put a little more effort in your logo's descriptions. I just opened http://stocklogos.com/logo/localise and its description says "Logo for any business". This is not a description. You have to understand that when clients search for a logo, they use keywords. If your description is almost unexistant then your logos will simply fail to show in the search results (the site's search system searches among the tags and also in the description). A bright, rich and relevant description about how and where this logo can be used, what kind of business it may suit and what it represents, is a great way to attract clients. Your logos will also get more views, so more chances to get purchased.
It's not enough to create a great logo. You have to sell it. You have to convince the client that what he sees is a great logo for his business. Think of the description as a place where you put arguments in favor of your design.
To be fair you've picked one of mine that hasn't been updated yet. I tend to rewrite an explanation after moderation.
It is always relieving to read molumen's explanation :)
:)
@ghostd7
I looked at your work and its very nice.
This site is a tool that allows designers and clients to meet in a creative platform. Melanie sells a lot because she makes Hot a$$ logos!
People dont buy logos because they are on the favorites. When i first came to this site i immediately did a search for "car wash" because thats what business im in. When I didnt find anything then i proceeded to post a brief.
This is a business and when in business you flaunt your best product. This site is VERY competitive and thats whats so HOT about it. Its very appealing to clients because the price is driven down by designers competing against each other. ALSO, when i asked Melanie to change something about her logo in my brief, she did it right away. Shes tenacious and communicates with the client as soon as they ask something of her.
I wish I'd seen your brief, I tend not to enter them due to lack of client support within them, without client contact and suggestions about their company they can't possibly expect a great logo that represents their brand.
It would be interesting to see a forum/blog post on how designers present themselves to clients after the sale of a logo on stocklogos. I personally try to go over the top on making sure that the client is 100% happy with the service I provide. That's the same for a $75 logo or a $400 logo.
Yeah i was meaning to make a post about "post" sale interactions. Do we get the "raw" logo files so we can change something in the future without having to track the designer down?
Yes, you an EPS vector file, and you also can ask the designer to make small changes after purchasing a logo. Also, most designers can deliver different file formats depending on what software you use (Illustrator, Corel Draw, Photoshop, etc...)
Most designers include in their description what's included within the sale price. If the designer chooses to contact me after the sale I provide,
All alterations to the name and colour with unlimited variations until 100% satisfied.
All original files they require. Adobe illustrator, EPS, PDF and Photoshop with full colour, greyscale monochrome versions.
Any required image files.
A legal contract on the rights to the logo.
Some of the logos for sale include business stationery design within the price.
Finally all my logos come with an A3 printable proof sheet presentation that includes all the information required to reproduce the logo with any media medium, colour specs, fonts, explanation of the files and how and why they are used.
You can see an example here,
http://www.behance.net/gallery/Logo-Projects/2203241
If a client chooses to not contact the designer they receive just the original raw files that are the EPS and PNG image files.
It's great to read a client's opinion on the subject. I fully agree with you.
I'll try to combine all in one comment.
@admin: First i want you to know that i'm takling from a neutral side since the staff faves doesn't bother me at all. When we as designers upload our logos here and with time we see that only a few of us get constant exposure of their logos and ours get behind it will come a moment when one could say - i can't compete with this because it's just they have advantage and i stop uploading logos. I better get somewhere else where i have equal changes my work to be seen. I speak theoratically. There are several things involved. First what kind of work is it. Is it meaningful design abstract or illustrative. Creating good logo with 2 ideas combined for exsample is not easy and time consuming. And such designs cost more. I have some ideas comming to my head all the time but knowing that it will take a lot of time to get it done and putting reasonable price for it won't be competitve to other designs priced $100 or $200 and mostly will be time wasted for nothing. So i'm some kind leaning to abstract designs that may not be such impactfull but take less time and will sell faster. This is pretty much the reasons i don't upload logos here. So when you show some people are more likeable to you this will probably reflect others to leave.
@molumen: I'm not leaving the site or deleting my logos here or something else. I was takling thoretically and for me personally. About the advertising the work - i thing this is part of the site's job since it's the marketplace. I don't have tweter and barely log in to facebook. But even if i would i don't know when my friends will help me sell them. It's like put tv commercial for car sells during soap tv series. You got it, right? I have learned about marketing at the university. I know there are other ways to promote your design like personal sites or blog but then i wouldn't advertise the SL but the designs themeself and will offer them directly.I know many of my logos look overpriced but i don't spend much time here to edit them or even open them. There are Make an offer anyway. And yes - my descriptions may look poor but i put all keywords there and don't need long explanation. I also add tags just like Nancy suggested and now admin just add them and since then i have more tags.
@jainchris: it's good to have your opinion. For you the low price could be good but for us it doesn't. The idea of sites like this not to get lower price but gather from different styles and ideas for your business and have the ability to explore much more concepts rather than going to local like you said. There are several complains lately here from brief posters they want to choose from more designs. This is a result also of the good part for you - low price. Clients have to get the idea of crowdsourcing in it's meaning - crowdsourcing and not price lowering.
I highly hope that i won't sound offendive for anybody. My intesnsions are to help stocklogos to get better place for everyone. I don't take any side. In the meantime i'll stick to other places and will wait the briefs and everything we expect from a long time to be improved.
Regards.
Thanks a lot! It feels like these are personal reasons and there is nothing I can do about them. If that's the wrong assessment please feel free to enlighten me.
How did this turn into that?
I think it's best not saying anything even if you think that the way things are done are unfair on the majority of the site.
Why do you keep saying things then?
So you're admitting this is true?
wow.
No more questions me lord.......lol
You're not making any sense, mate. I've only been on the site for 3 weeks so am definitely not one of the perceived 'inner circle' that you seem to be obsessing about, but I just don't see this culture of favouritism or heavy-handed administration, I really don't. Perhaps I'm being naive but I honestly believe that any designer who posts great work (your stuff is really nice BTW), adds relevant and detailed tags/descriptions and takes the time to market themselves and the site will, eventually, sell logos. It has nothing to do with who you are, it's all about the quality of the product. Which (bringing this thread back on track) is why Melanie D does so well...
Here here...
Well said Mr. Smith
Agree @ Mr. Smith!
Yes well said.
As always I'm open to criticism if there is anything specific that we haven't already discussed in detail. I do try to be fair and as professional as I can be. I know there is room for improvement, but I try! :)
I posted an inspiration blog about her work: http://creativebits.org/branding/melanie_ds_great_logos
Wow, thanks so much Ivan! I really appreciate it :)
Nice!
Congrats,,
survived melanie
go on your creativity
good job :D
I think MD's technical ability and colour choice is second to none, brilliantly executed, some of the concepts MD uses are a bit samey and some even questionable, for instance:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/young-crown-limited-1
v
(under title 'Synchronized One-legged Pointy Men logo')
http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo-design-tips/logos-to-avoid/
The designer was offered a sale for this logo but MD refused..... "I cannot reduce this price, as it’s an exceptionally strong logo" ....Well it's obviously not, it's been done to death.
Also molumen how can you say being in the SF does not ensure more sales? That's absurd.
@ Ivan why is the SF section even there if not to showcase a clique of designers?
In my opinion on the Staff favorites section argument;
It's in any website's best interest, especially one which is there to make money and promote good design, to put their best products in full view as a priority.
If a new designer comes along and does a GREAT piece of work, then it's in the website's best interest to promote it, and I believe that it does happen in this way at Stocklogos. Cliques don't come into it - economics and common sense dictate this. XBlueDivision, NancyC, Molumen and MelD are good examples, among with many others who are GREAT designers. I love their portfolios, but wouldn't choose every design as a favorite - as is the case with the staff favorites, and surely everyone who's commented on this forum post can agree with that. Therefore, I wholeheartedly believe that due to genuine awe and respect for good concepts and execution, that these designers EARN their place at the top of the page, and they rightly do well for themselves as well as the site.
I think that it's a privilege that latest uploads can be shown on the front page at all. Although I had thought that this section is literally an 'analog' feed of 'latest uploads' - yet some of my designs for example never made it into the section, which I didn't understand, but hey, overall I work hard on each logo I do, I'm always learning and getting better, and someday I'll crack it. Who cares about the latest uploads section. I want to EARN my place at the top, and we all know what's good design, bad design and great design, so it's clearly within reach with the right concept and execution. No cliques i'm afraid.
Jon It's simply and blatantly not true that only the best designs find their way on the SF section, here's a couple without really looking too deeply in that section:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/flycatcher
http://stocklogos.com/logo/hot-chick
In your honest opinion are those logo's worthy of a spot in the SF section?
It's there to promote the site like you said but it also unfairly promotes those designers who are within the SF and gives them a great advantage, particularly in competitions.
If this wasn't a competition site I don't think I would have a problem with it but this is a Competition site. It gives any designer who is in SF and also enters the open briefs a great advantage.
If I'm a buyer the first page I land is the homepage, the first thing I see is the SF section. A lot of buyers will check the work of those designers looking for a relevant logo if they don't find one they post a brief. The buyer is then delighted if not honoured when a person from the SF posts an entry.
* This is not a competition site. It's a sales venue. Etsy - sell your handmade stuff - has featured designers, hand picked boards. Stock Photo sites - sell vectors and photos - have featured collections, featured contributors and featured light boxes. Other premade logo sites - have staff favs, featured designers, most favorited. Deal.
* I love the fly catcher logo.
*Yes it is a competition site:
http://stocklogos.com/briefs
How many of the MD sales came from the competitions? You even enter them yourself Nancy, why would you even say such a bizarre thing?
*It's a fun concept but technically it is not really there now is it? Be honest.
* Ivan has made it clear that briefs are not the primary focus of the site. If you want to look at it that way then... other *contest sites* rank designers by wins or $ made, have a point system or other ways that promote top designers.
* Melanie's logos (for briefs or not) are good - that's why they sell.
* http://www.logolounge.com/designers/?tf=/Default.asp? Hm... line bird featured and the other owls look like they came out of her or other top designer profiles.
Hello Grego66,
Here we go again with the SF section...
Once again, you keep on claiming things like: "A lot of buyers will check the work of [SF section] designers looking for a relevant logo"... You have no statistics to backup your claims. Ivan does. He has said time and again that clients use the search tool more than any other feature. He has statistics and also he chats with clients regularly.
Once again, please take a minute and read this specific reply by Ivan:
http://stocklogos.com/topic/favourite-every-day-same-designers#comment-5...
Peace,
Spintherism.
Peace Spin'
Edit:
Oh and I didn't bring the SF section up :)
It will keep coming up though no doubt. You have to ask yourself why...
* All due respect what Ivan says is contrary to what the site actually is. It is either a competition site or it isn't. It has an open brief section where designers are in competitition with each other, ergo this is a competition site, like it or lump it. The site is all about making money Nancy, how much money do you think the site would lose if the competitions were removed?
Bottom line is the site's 'Primary Focus' is making money and the competitions make money, maybe more than the regular logo's. Oh and we're not talking about 'other contest sites' we are talking about this one.
* Correct :) Well done. MD has sold a lot of logo's on the competition's correct? but according to you "this is not a competitions site" so which is it Nancy?
Instead of answering questions that have been answered already by other designers correctly, let me ask you what is your suggestion? What shall we change? Shall we remove staff favorites? That will reduce the sales overall for all designers. We know that because we didn't have it before and we sold less, when we introduced SF on the suggestion on designers right here on the forum the sales went up. If you think a certain logo doesn't belong or does belong let me know and I will consider it.
Thanks for responding Ivan.
Instead of the blatantly unfair SF section why not have a section based on the same model but of Logo's that have already sold and with no link to the designer who created it. It would simply have a link to the rest of 'Sold Logo's At Stock Logo's'. This is the ideal way to showcase this site and show in it's best form what this site is made of.... 'Good Logo's ~ That Sell ~ Here's The Proof' .....then a link you can't miss to the search field ....'Search For Your Business Logo Here'.
This would be a fair way to showcase the site, it would also be doing the same job that the SF section is doing now; actually it would probably do a better job imho. If a shit design finds it's way into the SF section now... uproar. If a shit design shows up on the Sold Logo's section.... not a murmur.
It would also cut out the many complaints about the SF section that come from many designers. There's no biased, there's no promotion of individual designers, there's no possible way it can be influenced and it benefits the site in it's best form and all designers within.
This is a MarketPlace, it is also a Competiton site. I don't know of any other marketplace or competition site that promotes a few designers in this way.
What was the reasoning behind the inception of the SF section? It was put forward by designers on here so what was their reasoning? If the suggestion I made doesn't cover that reason or do the same job as that reason then I'll bow out, I will seriously never mention it again.
You have to understand Ivan that many designers here feel it is there purely for benefit of the designers within and why on earth wouldn't they?
I believe there should be a showcase not staff favs. The argument before has been that SF section is purely there to entice people in. I agree with you greggo, if this section is purely a shop window then there is no need for a link to that specific designer.
Take a look at Brandstacks favs, now they are worthy of that section! What got my back up about the SF section was when Nancy joined and had her whole collection at the time ( around 50 logos ) put straight in SF. That's gonna come across as favouritism by anybody, sure a few where alright but doing that was wrong.
Maybe it needs a overhaul but saying that nothing changes here, all I read is it's coming soon or we are working on it for months and months. Pointless writing your views down now in my opinion because nothing changes.
I'm not trying to have a go at you Nancy, it could of been anyone and I'd still not be happy with the situation.
When I joined the site was much smaller than what it is now - not as many recognized designers were here as there are now (several of whom I invited here, btw). I uploaded 100 logos in one weekend and yes many were added to staff favs - perhaps that's because I was new and had a different look(?)
Since the upraor of a few, I have uploaded well over 200 more logos and less than 16 of those were added. If I am a decent designer, then it's not too hard to think that 10% percentage of mine designs would get fav'd.
I just don't get the whining about fairness. It's business.
It's ridiculous to not link to the artist! In what real life/business scenario does that happen?
Contest sites have leader boards (that link to the artists profile)
Stock logo sites have favs and most fav'd (that link to artists profile)
Stock sites have featured artist (that link to artist profile)
(SL is primarily a stock site and secondarily a contest site. In either situation it is common for top designers to be recognized and promoted because they attract customers and makes sales. It is just good business.)
Pointless talking to you. I have not said no to a showcase of the best designs, I'm saying no to certain designers having a massive amount of bog standard logos within the showcase of the best designs.
How many of your logos are in the fav's section on (competition site) Nancy? I bet you it's no where near as many as here. Or if you no longer have any logos there, how many did you have?
I think we need to keep in mind that Nancy is one of the biggest promoters of this site and especially other designers' work. She does more than her share.
Nah, I never had as even close to as many logos anywhere as I do here - not even 30 elsewhere. I made staff/most fav'd, occasionally. Back in the hayday, the same site had such high creativity standards that I had more than a few logos that were rejected. The body of work there is very different than it is here - here the variety of designs and solutions is huge - lots of options for lots of buyer types, there it was very boutique like with a very specific client in mind.
I didn't mind other designers getting more kudos or whatever - most were far more talented than I. I still made sales and that's what I was there for. Those other designers brought the buyers in and some of them bought my designs. I made money because of a good storefront.
I don't see it as 'whining' I see it as pointing out a major flaw in the sites design, future designers are always going to have a problem with that section because despite the name of SF what it is really saying is: these are the best designs on Stock Logo's.... They aren't, by a long way.
Also it is always the same designer's who find themselves on the front page and in that top eight spot! Your logo's Nancy are in that spot everyday, every-day, EVERY DAY..... if not every other hour. Nancy do you really think you are that good? Out of the thousands and thousands of logo's on this site your logo's beat them all to that Top Eight spot everyday. It's too good to be true and you know it.
The SF section is also an unfair advantage to designers in the SF section who also enter the competitions...
SL's primary income I believe is from the contests. If it barks it's probably a dog. The majority of Your income primarily comes from the stock section, these are two different things. The recent thread from Ivan 'Client Feedback On Chat'... he clearly see's this as a contest site.
"...these are the best designs on Stock Logo's.... They aren't, by a long way."
It is subjective what's the best. And it's not meant to be the best, but the logos that keep the clients on the site after landing on the home page. They should see something interesting and colorful, well designed and varied in style. I'm trying to achieve this. If I fail at it, help me improve the selection, tell me what to remove and what to add.
Nancy and couple of other designers are top sellers and clients often ask for their involvement on briefs and ask for their details so they can work with them directly, which we do give. Therefore for me it is clear they are popular among the clients we are targeting. Therefore it makes sense to use their logos on the front page. Many designers' work is featured, not just 5-6. If you do such logos I will also use your work to sell the site. There is not preferential treatment to any designer. It's all about work that fits the above mentioned criteria.
It's not unfair advantage to be in the SF, because these logos help attract clients and help sell those logos that are not as good as well. So in a way these SF logos are actually help me sell those logos that didn't get selected. But even if there was an unfair advantage in being in SF, you have to give the StockLogos, the store the right to display the products as we see fit. It's like in a supermarket. Some of the products are promoted more than others. But in supermarkets the sellers pay for better displays. Here we don't charge for such things.
Our primary income is from the sale of logos from the library, not contests (briefs). I don't really understand your whole argument about how and why is it a problem if it's a contest site or not. What difference does it make? The library is not a contest. The contest part is a contest. What's the question here again? Please spell it out for me.
That's my point it is subjective. This means that if other designers here consider some designs in the SF section not worthy then sure as anything a lot of buyers will as well. You can give us the stats that relate to the buyers that buy and submit briefs but this doesn't account for the many that might be put off. I could sit here for the next hour or so and go through the SF section pulling out the designs which I consider to be weak. I could tell you about them and you could even go ahead and remove them but that doesn't solve anything. You said yourself it is subjective. The only way to solve it would be to remove the SF section or at least move it to a place that isn't so prominent. A far better way to showcase the site would be to have in it's place a section devoted to Sold Logo's. There could be no argument there from any side, it also gives massive kudos to the site and would genuinely interest any first time buyers. I also like the idea that ROCK' suggested but again I think that would be subjective unless there was a way to vote on logo's for submission to that section.
You can still showcase Nancy's work if that's what it's about and also the other two designers work you mentioned by using a Sold Logo's model instead of the Staff Favourites. This would cut out the unfair advantage as long as the link to their work was removed it also does the job of everything else you mentioned. It will still attract new clients and still help sell those logos that are not as good, so why can't you do that? That model would be fair for everybody, It would still sell the site and it would still attract new clients for everybody. Simply put remove the SF section put in it's place a Sold Logo's section and fill it with the Sold Logo's.
Designers here need a fairer system this one isn't working, have you ever asked yourself why this topic keeps coming up?
Ivan I don't need to spell it out for you, if you read through the thread you will see why the 'contest site' issue was an issue.... NCD said "This is not a competition site." simple.
I haven't got a problem with this being a Contest site, I'm actually delighted that you confirmed it. It was unfortunate that that little debate went on for so long.
In the past eight days the Contest section as earned the site $900 and that's not counting the percentage's taken from the Logo's. If only 4 of those nine logo's sell at an average of say $200 that's a further $160 for the site. So in eight days the contest section has earned; definitely: $900, most probably: $1060, and potentially: $1260. Probably more as the average of $200 per logo was a little low.
I don't know how many sales from the library it would take to make those numbers up but if you are saying the site has earned more from the library then Ok.
Regarding the SF removal is not an option unless you give me a viable alternative. Using sold logos is not a good idea because many sold logos are not the best designs thus it doesn't server the intended purpose. It will create a lot of confusion for clients as they will be puzzled why we are showing something they can't buy anymore. The other suggestion of removing links to the logos would be very confusing to users as well. It just doesn't make much sense even if would make the system supposedly more fair. We DO want to sell those SF logos as well, they are not just for show.
I don't think we're being unfair to any designer by highlighting certain logos randomly in rotation. We use these in my opinion most eye-catching logos not only in SF but in blogs posts, facebook and twitter to sell the concept of the site itself, and as I already said it helps to sell all logos bringing advantage to all designers. We reserve the right to keep doing this even if it brings more exposure to certain logos or designers. This is something I ask you to accept as our marketing strategy.
I still don't understand the issue about whether it's a contest site argument. What are you claiming and what is the problem? And if you don't want to spell it out, I can't do anything about it.
Well thanks again for the response Ivan and that's a good point about the Sold Logo's idea, one that I didn't consider. I personally think it is a better option but I won't push it further.
I can see why the SF section is working for the site and I understand why you wouldn't want to change the model. I will have to respectfully disagree that it is unfair to the majority of other designers as I think it is. If there was a way we could all have a hand in what went in the SF section I think that would be fairer and nobody could have any complaints. I do respect your marketing strategy, it's working on many levels, I just don't agree with it.
Ivan I haven't got an issue about whether this site is a contest site, that's why I am here, indeed up until now that is all I have submitted to the site.
I will spell it out for you: Earlier in the thread I said this was a competition site. Nancy replied that it isn't, and I quote: "This is not a competition site." What followed was me trying to prove it is a competition site. I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick, I personally welcome this being a competition site.
I also acknowledge that the site is a market place and for what it's worth I will publish my work to the open marketplace when the updates come into action.
Ivan you have pointed out before that you would treat all designers equally, now you're saying I can promote certain designers if I want. That's clearly the case with those 50 or so NCD logos that were put in the staff favs. Not that they are any good. Also you say a 'varied' shop front? NCDs logos are very samey, that's not varied. I pointed this out to you before in private that the logos were not varied enough, girly and a lot of pint in colour. That doesn't help a gas company looking for a logo does it? It certainly helps the boom in home cupcake production businesses though, which by the way, NCD is out pricing due to wanting the minimum higher!
AKmulligan, we all promote the site, I do certainly. It was recently noted to me by Ivan that 3 logos were recently sold through my site! None of which were mine. If that's a dig at me then I will stop promoting this site and promote the others, fine by me.
It was not meant as a dig at you.
(Since I've never sold a logo here, I'm in no position to make a dig at anybody)
Yes, my selection needs help, I welcome such correction.
Right now we are in the middle of a major change on SL, so I'm not yet ready to change more things at the same time, but I noted your criticism. I will collect feedback and act accordingly. My objective is to maximise profit and happiness for as many as possible. I can't make everyone happy of course, so please accept my apologies if things are not exactly as you would like them to be. It doesn't mean I disregard your suggestion. It just means that I can't make it work for everybody at the same time.
I know the issue has been raised before, and I thought that it was in the pipeline, but these comments/discussions reiterate the need for designers to be able to add their own meta tags to their designs - thus maximizing the potential of their work being found via the search feature. Are we any nearer to this? Cheers.
Yes, very near now.
Can't wait to seeeee! I wonder how you do it -- you are active in the forums (even patiently rehashing old arguments), you check and publish logos and unpublish violations daily, plus build all the new changes! Oh and design too. Man.
Anyway, can't wait!!!!! :)
Thanks :)
I'm new on SL. I can feel that the topic of this post changed, so I think I can give other advices on future updates. The brief should be "closed" (automatically of course Ivan, I imagine that you've got enough work) as soon as a client bought a logo. Or something should be clearly marked in the brief.. Like "sold" for example. Because I think it's not natural to have a look in the "Sold logos" section.
What do you think of it ?
Not necessarily. Many briefs have more than one sold logo and many clients bought more than one.