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Help us find logos that may violate site rules - Part 15

admin Sat, 01/21/2012 - 21:13

No personal attacks or opinions, just the hard facts please. We don't want to offend people, just want to do business here! :)

StockLogos URL:
Violation URL:

Thanks!

205 Comments

admin's picture

Yes, I can recognise similarities, but it's different enough I think.

AnnaArtDesign's picture

Wow really, it's the same just facing the other way. It's obvious the stock was used to make the logo.

Avalikmom's picture

Unless you are the designer of the recycle logo, I don't think there's anything to complain about. There are probably all sorts of designers that would come up with the concept.

admin's picture

I better remove it since it already exists for somebody else.

AKMulligan's picture

I'm puzzled, too. I'm pretty sure I called that one out in a previous thread.

2x2design's picture

I made that logo. I had never seen the one you claim it is a copy of.

Happy to remove it but I don't want to get banned for stealing it when I didn't.

Black n White's picture

I didnt say its a copy.. :) this 3d drawing is a very common one.. Its just a coincidence . I just mentioned it!

2x2design's picture

I see, ok. :)

AKMulligan's picture

Wow, I wouldn't even have thought to check that one!

ROCKADERO's picture

Mine was uploaded first so thanks Applex for pointing this out.

Will the tips4models logo now be deleted?

Applex's picture

Yes...."Will the tips4models logo now be deleted"

ROCKADERO's picture

Mine was uploaded first so thanks Applex for pointing this out.

Will the tips4models logo now be deleted?

AKMulligan's picture

That one's simple enough that it could be coincidence.

ROCKADERO's picture

Yeah sure but it shouldn't be allowed on the site.

Black n White's picture

I think its a different approach. The "original" is just a vertical font. The logo presents "ok" in a form of a human figure.

ROCKADERO's picture

No I'm sorry but both present themselves as vertical fonts and a human figure!

Black n White's picture

Maybe you are right. I dont like the original one though. anyway. it's up to admin.

AKMulligan's picture

It does look closer to the Russian site.

Estrnboarder's picture

I saw this in the brief I created and immediately thought of "The Little Mermaid" movie myself.

Darla Hallmark's picture

It's pretty insulting when they don't even try.

AKMulligan's picture

I would. They're both good logos, but too close.

Maybe you can alter yours so it's not so similar.

Darla Hallmark's picture

The Hallmark crown is nearly as recognizable as Ariel. Sheesh!

AKMulligan's picture

That was my thought, too, although I don't think they're outside the U.S., so who knows?

AKMulligan's picture

Darn! I had been looking to see if the designer had copied the tree and came up empty when I found the link I posted in the other thread. Good sleuthing!

Black n White's picture

He can trace the image instead of downloading it!

NancyCarterDesign's picture

No it's not ok to trace or to upload any not original artwork.

Darla Hallmark's picture

No.

This has been discussed before. If someone wants to offer a logo image on more than one LOGO site, they are taking a risk of accidentally selling the same image twice. It's not a large risk, however, since logos sell fairly slowly.

An image on a STOCK site, though, is a different matter. Stock sites are much busier, and sales are faster. There is also usually a delay in getting the stock file down. What is most likely to happen is that the stock images will sell before the logo images, and the logos will have to come down. What may happen, is that the logo image will sell, AND the stock image will sell, and everyone will be quite unhappy, and the person who posted on both sites will ruin his career as a designer.

AKMulligan's picture

Which others have you found? I'm having trouble getting a match.

NancyCarterDesign's picture

I really think that these should not have even been published. Clipart is not that hard to spot and find with google and tineye.

GoldAngle's picture

ok thanks... i think its clear about all their works....
thank nancy.... I know you are famous here !!! :) thanks for your answer

admin's picture

It's not as easy, many times when I check first I get 0 matches and a few hours or even days later there is a match. I don't know if this is just me or what...

For example I'm pretty sure this logo will have a match, but I can't find any:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/creeky-owl

Do you guys get a match?

AKMulligan's picture

Same here. Nancy seems to have much better luck with google images than I do. I have no idea why.

Spintherism's picture

Another two logos by the same designer: http://stocklogos.com/user/mrf

http://stocklogos.com/logo/cupcake-parties
http://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-8193262/stock-vector-cup-cake

http://stocklogos.com/logo/4-clowns-game
http://www.ricafesta.com.br/vitrine_produtos.asp?secao=&categoria=&subca...

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EDIT:
I just noticed that M.R.F.'s avatar is the same as YnM Creations' avatar on bigstockphoto.com and 123rf.com, so maybe this is just a stock vector designer recycling his designs as logos. Maybe that's why all of his designs on bigstockphoto said "zero downloads". Also, the owl in http://stocklogos.com/logo/creeky-owl can be found on his, now defunct, website (see archive).

But, then again, that still doesn't explain the clown above and the (already deleted) hummingbird...

In any case, most probably this is not a case of plagiarism (and hopefully he is aware that he must take down the stock vectors for sale once the logos are sold here).

Peace,

Spintherism.

AKMulligan's picture

Oops, you pasted too fast. ;-)

AKMulligan's picture

Hah! Did something vaguely similar just a couple of hours before. I had the url for my jewelry web site on my clipboard and when I meant to paste a "Congratulations" on the thread for a sold logo – there were a bunch of them and I'm lazy – pasted in the url and hit "save." Luckily, I caught it in time before I started looking like a spammer.

markrtid's picture

Pure coincidence. Hardly a ground-breaking 'concept' but then again neither was the execution.

I'm new to all this but I must confess I don’t really feel comfortable with the self policing of work by fellow designers but regrettably there is a need when taking into consideration the amount of designs under scrutiny come from the Briefs section.
There are more mermaids, hummingbirds and fetching dogs over in 'Briefs' at the moment that one could question if many are the same concept, different execution? The Ariel mermaid was a classic though. Made me laugh out loud that one did.

Darla Hallmark's picture

Ultimately, Ivan makes the decision about what is or is not a rules violation. We just point things out to him.

I agree with you on the cross/usb image. Parallel evolution.

Darla Hallmark's picture
Spintherism's picture

It's the same case with the user named M.R.F. (here's a link to my edited post above).

It looks like these stock illustrators are recycling their designs into logos. Nothing wrong with the ones that haven't been downloaded yet. But it is risky...

Peace,

Spintherism.

Darla Hallmark's picture

I think it makes the logo site look cheesy to have images that are available as stock images for couple of bucks being offered as logos.

M D S's picture

Haha, great! Silly.

osamu's picture

This looks like a software malfunction.

inGenious's picture

I think it's the same guy who has more usesrs and upload wrong ... :D

ROCKADERO's picture

That's shocking!

admin's picture

Looks like the wrong image was uploaded. Fixed. Thanks.

Crumbit's picture

Miguel Tabora - Why isn't this user banned?

admin's picture

Should we? Please give me more info.

admin's picture

Blocked. Thanks.

Darla Hallmark's picture

And, why is Art61 still here?

admin's picture

I will give money back to client. Designer is already blocked. Thanks

Avalikmom's picture

I think all of that designer's logos should be removed since there may be other violations. Waiting until they are sold isn't a good time to find out.

Crumbit's picture

You are right, but Stocklogos profits in either way, so why would they care?

admin's picture

No we don't because we have to give money back. I'm removing all his logos.

admin's picture

You think it's the same person?

AKMulligan's picture

When I was posting in the thread about banned users, this person had a whole bunch of logos that were the same as daemon's. It looked like he was in the process of migrating them to a new account and hadn't deleted them from the old one yet. As an admin, of course, you would have information on logos that have been deleted and billing information that would confirm it, but I'm certain it's the same person.

Crumbit's picture

I'm sorry, but I don't think you're rigorous enough when it comes to these things.

admin's picture

What do you suggest we do besides banning and deleting all logos?

Crumbit's picture

I suggest in getting more people to work on finding out if the logos are genuine before they are published to prevent this from happening in the first place. Yes, I'm aware that would cost you more, but it's worth it.

admin's picture

Oh, well it's not a matter of work force, but technology. We check each logo with tineye and google, but we don't always get a hit. But as these engines get better we will have less of such cases. I'm also working on something that will prevent this happening altogether, but it's a secret for now because I'm not sure if it's going to work or not.

Thanks again!

AKMulligan's picture
AKMulligan's picture

Damn! I really liked that one.

Spintherism's picture

I don't know... I think that Mercury/Hermes winged sandals/shoes (or Talaria) is a common concept. Probably the most famous being Good Year tires.

EDIT: On the other hand, they are both podiatrists logos... Good call.

kopfhoeren's picture

WOW!

Thank you Nancy!

admin's picture

I knew it was a stock but could not find it. How did you? ;)

NancyCarterDesign's picture

I didn't find it with an image search. I searched google images with "coffee stain vector" - First return. :)

admin's picture

We returned money to client. Thanks!

AKMulligan's picture

I would love to know why google images works so much better for you than for me! I did a search on that image and came up empty-handed.

NancyCarterDesign's picture

Well this one I didn't do an image compare search... but it's weird how that works differently for each of us.

AKMulligan's picture

I even grayscaled the silhouette, since color sometimes confuses the search. It's frustrating when I just KNOW something isn't original but I can't find proof.

(I'm talking about the cat, not the coffee stain.)

NancyCarterDesign's picture

oops -- I didn't realize it was the cat one. Orientation was the problem on both.

Daniliza's picture

Wait .. if the artist not just traced the image, but drawn from scratch, based on this photo, is this a violation?

AKMulligan's picture

I learned back in art school that you have to significantly change an image to make it your own. If it's recognizable, it's copyright infringement, even if you drew it from scratch. Remember all the flack about the Obama poster that was created from an unattributed photograph?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-15-obama-poster_N.htm

It's especially egregious that this designer copied photographs used by podiatrists for another podiatrist's logo.

grego66's picture

A lot also depends on what field the logo lives.

Anybody familiar with the Quark logo debacle? They got away with that because they argued the logo worked in a different field than say the Scottish Arts Council logo. They are practically identical.

If the two were submitted here for example only the original would survive, and quite rightly so. In the hard copy world they got away with it. Strange.

admin's picture

I deleted almost all his logos. Quality is way too low.

inGenious's picture

not the same fish, is more elongated fins is different, believe me, I'm a fisherman :)

Spintherism's picture

Hello,

Some fins are different, others are almost the same. My guess is that the designer started with the downloaded vector clip-art and modified it a lot, but certain characteristics remain. Indeed, there are several "coincidences", particularly in the random spots.

See a size comparison here: http://img67.xooimage.com/files/7/0/c/trout_comparison-316bec6.jpg

It's now up to the Admin to decide, maybe it is unique enough...

Peace,

Spintherism.

EDIT: Yeap, Admin decided it's okay. :o)

ROCKADERO's picture

Hurray for fishermen! I'm a angler to my friend! Mainly course fishing in the UK but would love to go over to the keys and tackle those marlin!! Sorry off topic lol

admin's picture

Yeah, we decided it's ok.

Avalikmom's picture

Good, because most fish species look practically the same (when the same weight).

admin's picture

I think it's similar but not the same number of pixels.

Darla Hallmark's picture

"Is that Domino Dancing, or Angry Client?"

"I don't know, count the squares."

"Which one is four squares, and which one is three?"

"I forget..."

admin's picture

I think the Fleur De Lis is ok to use. It's like a heart.

Phunkmonster's picture

Most heraldic elements share this problem. We should try to encourage an original interpretation where possible though. It's not as if it's incredibly difficult to draw, and thus make original ;)

Applex's picture

I disagree.
is same to ClipArt!!
Not original.....

AKMulligan's picture

I think it ought to be altered so it isn't almost identical to the one cited.

Applex's picture

Agree!!!!!

Avalikmom's picture

Are you sure about this one?

Phunkmonster's picture

How is this logo: http://stocklogos.com/logo/planttalk not a violation?

It's conceptually the same is this one: http://stocklogos.com/sites/default/files/talk.jpg which is discussed by Ivan in this thread: http://stocklogos.com/topic/10-really-clever-logos

I would remind everyone that Applex had to pull a logo when Tabitha kicked off about one of her designs having the same concept. I'd be wary of such close designs, even if they both are about different things.

AKMulligan's picture

Could be a coincidence, but I agree that the stock logos one is too close and should be hugely altered or removed.

Applex's picture

the wound is open!!!!!