I thought and thought about how to say it, but there simply is no polite way to say we've got some crappy logos on this site.
I don't mean ugly, that's not a problem, some customers may want that. I mean looking unprofessional. Poorly rendered, sloppy vector tracing, lack of draftsmanship.
If someone wanted that, they could get their sister-in-law "who draws" to do it for free.
Could there be a way to review logos for quality of production? There are so many punters in all aspects of stock these days, they infect everything. Wanna-bes who think a good graphics program precludes the need for practiced skill, knocking out something on the chance they might make a few bucks. They won't ever put enough effort into the work to get good at it, and will only clog up the site with gunk.
There are a lot of really good, serious designers here, of different levels of skill. But they all take the work seriously, and are constantly trying to improve their work. Some of these designers have put many years, many hours, and a lot of thought into their creations. It's insulting for any of us to have to see our work next to this dreck.
I also worry that, if the level of garbage gets too high, potential buyers will wander off before finding something they like.
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If there was an aesthetic review, I would also suggest adding a subforum for critique. This would allow someone whose logo was rejected for aesthetics to post it, and get advice from other contributors.
We could give pointers on how to brush up the logo, or tips on using various graphics programs, and help beginners learn.
Nobody have the guts to say something...
I find it incredibly ironic that the person who created this entire thread about the lack of quality on this website is actually getting an attitude with me for also voicing my opinion about the logos here. You are not the "one authority" on SL. You do not have any specific rights above everyone else to speak your mind. I signed up exactly the same way, we're both designers here.
No, I am telling you to get your Mother's advice on how seriously to take all of this. You have not done that. Do it now.
I'm 29. I stopped asking my mother for advice about 10 years ago.
That's a shame, I've never outgrown my mom's advice.
I think it's awesome that you are helping her learn something new!
If you see something really bad, please let me know so I can re-evaluate it. We don't want particularly bad logos as it drags down the reputation of the site overall. Thanks
Here's one that is totally shocking!! Offensive, badly traced, probable clip art hat, wrong font selection and hard to read, off balance and the colour selections are fighting each other!
http://stocklogos.com/logo/ginger-burrito
To my mind, that's not a logo at all, more of an illustration.
Yeah, that's the one that set me off. I was a bit cranky last night, and may have over reacted.
I do photo reviews for a stock site (no, I won't tell you which one) and the punters drive me nuts. I had just rejected someone's entire set of vacation photos that were submitted with the date stamp still on. There are clear instructions on the submit page about what NOT to submit, and sometimes, it seems like nobody reads.
Then I came over here, and saw "Ginger Burrito" and... http://www.unseengallery.com/assets/wedding/gaah.gif
It's like you read my mind and dared to write what I did not for fear of a lynching! ;)
There are many submissions coming through lately that lack even basic designs skills that most competent designers should have and should be practicing. Many are falling into illustration with a bit of type tacked on in my opinion.
I've wanted to say it for a while, but I think we need to set a basic standard of submissions and stick to it. If it's not good enough, reject it. Darla is correct, we're in danger of not seeing the wood for the trees, and many good submissions are being lost in the noise of very average design work.
I don't think rejecting work should be seen as a negative by the way. Many designers learn from rejection and mistakes. I'm quite happy to have amateur designers on here, many do good work. But Stocklogos should not be seen or become a holding ground for newbies still learning their craft. If the work isn't good enough, tough, it gets rejected! Learn from it, then do better work. Simple.
I have had many logos rejected in the past because they weren't generic enough - but lately I've seen logos submissions that are very specific, so it makes me wonder why these have been accepted and mine wasn't.
A better even standard across the board please.
I agree. When bad logos come out, we get better competition, better logos, better pricing and in the end beginners will be more thoroughly and will work much better and harder to get on the next level. They will learn and site will have better content. I am not saying that all logos need to look extreme professional and one million look. But the circle with the shadow is not logo. I caught myself a few times to do bad logo, and then I delete him.
Of course this is just my opinion, I do not want to violate site policy, this site is intended for sale logo, not for artist gallery and need to stay like that. Founders probably examine the market, and know in which direction they go.
I have some logos in my mind but i better not say them...
Then, I won't either.
I will and I would like to know if any of mine are not up to standard please! Feel free to slate me, this is how I get better and everyone else does too!
You've got some pretty good stuff in there! Your portfolio is a little uneven, I get the impression you're still trying to find your personal style.
This one is a little blah. http://stocklogos.com/logo/balonparty It's a good idea, but just lays there. I would try adding some darks to it. Maybe just some lines similar to the highlights, only darker/stronger colors.
I think you do rely a little too much on gradients and drop shadows to make your images more interesting. Try designing without them for a bit, and see if anything good happens.
This one, for example, I think would be better if you tried to find a way to show the shape without gradients.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/melting-pot (You could add gradients later.)
Brilliant!! Your so true in those specific designs. Remember I'm new to this and not a full time designer. Everything I've learned about design is self taught but working in the print trade since college helps!
The balon party logo in particular was a spare of the moment logo when a client came onto the forum and asked for a logo for his 'Balloon' business in Croatia hence it spelling Balon instead of Balloon. His thread was removed and asked to use a brief, nothing came of the logo and the client never put up a brief.
Melting pot is a very early logo of mine, the majority are. I have new stuff coming and all comments are always taken on board! MORE PLEASE!!
I like this one you did. http://stocklogos.com/logo/blue-square-logo
Hey thanks, it's really basic concept I think and would work with anything print, web, vinyl, embroidery, massive and large. This is what I'm trying to work on for future logos, simplicity.
I ve deleted the link...
so you think is ok ?is nice for logo?
It's just that someone isn't clear on what blood cells look like. Otherwise, it's well made.
you want to say the logos or not?
I think its hard to expect Ivan to always pick what is good or is not good logos. He has enough to do with just making sure they that it is properly vectorized, etc. I also feel that it could also make people not like or trust the admin... there has to be another way that is better for all.
Perhaps an idea would be to have a button to report designs.. and one of the options would be that it is not up to quality standards - and if enough of those come in perhaps then something can be done about it. Maybe after a certain amount the designer and the admin can both be notified and a chance to improve on the idea can be given. It could be a way to make everything more positive for all instead of whos the bad guy?
It wouldn't be good to have other contributors evaluating the aesthetics of new submissions. Even if we all promised to be honest, it would look bad. Cheesy.
There needs to be another person who does the aesthetic judgment, and maybe Ivan could just bump any doubtful ones over to them for consideration. Ideally, there would not be a lot of rejections, but there needs to be an established process, so the really awful stuff can get filtered out.
And, a critique forum would soften the process. Someone with a rejected logo could post it there, and ask for opinions, and we could suggest things like, "clean up your nodes, and see if you can come up with some other colors". Then, they could fix it up, show it again, and eventually, submit a corrected version that may get in.
Contributors would not do review, and reviewers would not do critique.
I am not saying that other designers will make the final decision. It is just a way to notify the admin and designer that the work doesn't seem to be up to snuff. (The thought of the designer knowing doesn't have to be the only way.. its just another idea to add on top of this) It is simply a suggestion and would be very discreet. In my mind it is better that way then having the judgement of just one person pick and choose what is and is not good. What if they are having a bad day? What if all they like is rainbow colored swooshes? Get as many thoughts from others as possible and move on from there.
Edit: I am sorry I did not make this clear. This would not be for submissions that have not been "approved" yet. This is for logos that are already approved by the admin.
First off, kudos to Darla for speaking out on something a lot of us were afraid to express.
Now, no offense to anyone, but how could this logo (http://stocklogos.com/logo/feel-free) even be considered "professional"? It kind of hurts my eyes, and my pride as a designer. Like some of you said, a lot of us put a lot of effort into making decent designs, and then we allow this sort of thing to slip by?
I'm sure most of us want SL to have a high quality community portfolio.
I'm all for establishing some sort of aesthetic review process. How about we nominate a few SL contributors and create an aesthetic review committee?
At least it looks like they are trying. If there were a critique forum, this is pretty much what I would say about that one:
I would like to see a little more work done on this, but it's not awful. The shape on the left seems rather heavy for the concept of "feeling free". Think a little more about your concept, and see what you can come up with.
Images that don't carry their concept well are less likely to sell, even if accepted.
I have to disagree, it's pretty awful. There's really no concept and that wouldn't ever work in one color. The font is also borderline illegible.
Well, yes, but I wouldn't say so...
Darla, I agree, i think they were trying, and as their first upload, have probably learned a few things from that. I wouldn't be surprised if they appreciated even the negative comments. They also want to know what you think of this one...thoughts, what you would have done differently?
http://stocklogos.com/logo/lovecatcher
Thanks.
hahaha, "simple, bold logo"?. It is neither simple nor bold!
A possible solution is to have a series of simple questions that a logo submission must be subjected to. Maybe three (or more) questions that can be answered good, average or poor.
So for example (ideas picked off the top of my head btw):
1. How is the concept/idea?
2. How is the technical skill of the design?
3. Can the design be easily adapted or used in for other media etc?
There are probably more, but you get the idea. If the design scores lower than average or just low, then it gets rejected.
So for the example above, I would score it:
1. Poor to average (it's not totally immediately clear what the idea is, even the idea has potential)
2. Poor (looks like badly drawn clipart thrown together)
3. Poor (would never print small, mono colour etc)
I think number three is important. Many designers forget that some clients want to use designs in ways that aren't purely digital, and I'm sure designs don't sell for this reason. So vinyl cutting for example, letterpress printing.
Just some of ideas anyway.
By the way, this is not a personal attack on the designer who submitted the exampled logo above. It was just easier to reference it as it had already been mentioned.
Agreed. I would take it a step further and ask these questions:
How will it look on a fax?
How will it look on a 3rd generation black and white copy?
How will it look on a billboard from 350 yards?
How will it look embroidered on a shirt?
How will it look on a postage stamp?
How will it look reversed on a color background?
These questions should slow the designer down and get any logo off on better footing. It should also get rid of the drop shadows and gradients that keep showing up. They look cool, but don't reproduce across the gamut of logo uses companies require.
Good questions for the designer, but maybe a little too involved for a submission process for admin? Not everyone will need all those requirements though, but they are very important considerations nonetheless. :)
That's the idea. Set some standards of what, according to stocklogos, is a "good logo".
I try to keep in mind that the image may be used business card size, billboard size, as a vinyl cutout, and as a silkscreen on a t-shirt.
This type of thinking is only going to happen though with experienced in the field designers. It's not strictly a bad thing that some designers don't know this, but it must be an important consideration if SL is selling designs to work to the broadest buyers possible.
I think maybe Stocklogos needs a very strong tutorial/logo design advice section. I don't see why this wouldn't work for this website. It would not only bring in more web designers, it would increase traffic overall. Maybe someone who doesn't design wants to learn more about how logos should be, etc.. and they come here and then figure hey what the heck let me browse the store. Win win. It needs to be done well though not just thrown together.
Another cool thing that could also be inspirational is why not interview some of the designers who are doing well on here? Sometimes hearing what they have to say and how they go to where they did plus showing off examples of their best work could do wonders for the people who are still learning and giving better submissions in the fu ture... oh and bring in more traffic ofcourse! (Sorry I am a sales/marketing guy too ;) )
It depends, I worked in a lot of projects where a logo was required as image for website frontpage. In that cases an illustrative and detailed logo is perfect. So, it depends...
Yes, I agree with you. This site should have a committee to evaluate the quality of submitted logos, like most sites of this type actually do. This site should also have a more flexible presentation system (but that's another story, see related forum topic).
I submit relatively few logos but I put a lot of care in the production of each of them, so (generally) it's annoying that thousands of low-quality logos (no offense to anyone) hide good-quality ones. Interest of SL and buyers is to attract excellent designers and their works. More quality -> more buyers satisfaction -> more "Tell A Friend" -> more sales -> new excellent designers arrive...
There used to be a system of stars ranking each piece that everyone could vote on and the ones with the highest stars would be what people generally considered a good logo but now it's gone. By the way Darla if you wouldn't mind poppin over and havin a look at my stuff Id be super happy to hear what you have to say especially because my main reason for using this site us to improve my skills.
Thanks all :)
I'm flattered that you want my opinion. I really don't have much advice to offer you, you seem to be doing pretty good. I notice you're doing briefs, too, and that's always a different matter. Buyers without a preconceived idea will want something nice, but once they get an idea into their head, it's hopeless. You have to give them what they want, no matter how bad an idea it is for a logo.
So, I'm thinking there's no need for an aesthetic review on briefs.
This is a good thread and gives me the opportunity to ask something that is relevant to the thread, it concerns what is considered a good or at least a favourite design here. I have noticed on the homepage of this site, the main page and thus probably the most visited page that there is at the top before the cut (the latest uploads are below the cut) a favourites section which contains eight logos from the Staff Favourites section, then there is a link below this to 'more' favourites. I have to ask is this fair? This site is about selling logos, fair enough but it figures that a lot of the new visitors and buyers to the site will choose the favourites section as their first point of call, ignoring the latest upload section and ignoring the search option where most of the other work is. If they are a buyer there's a very good chance they will buy from this section before even looking elsewhere. I have also noticed that it seems to be the same designers over and over again, or at least every time I visit, who find their work at the top of the homepage in the favourites section.
So again I have to ask is this fair? What makes a favourite? We all have personal taste, I get that, but I don't think it's fair that the Staff's particular personal tastes should be showcased in such a way, surely that is for places like blogs, personal sites but not for market places.
I've only had two up there but they didn't sell. So as far as the first point of call thing maybe that's a little off but the same artists do often get placed on the main page and on most cases I'd agree with their placement. All in all I agree with this statement because it should be what the buyer decides and 100% of the time it is but I still feel its a bit biased.
I'm sorry to hear they didn't sell.
As for surfing habits it's not a little off, a large percentage of visitors to any site will not bother to go below the cut. It's basic surfing habits, that's why online adverts cost way more to place above the cut than below. An ad' above the cut will get ten times more hits than one below ergo the Staff Favourites section is getting the lions share of visitors.
If the designers here who suggested the Favourites Section suggested it purely for the image of the site how would they feel if the Favourites section was full of examples of old logos that were off the market? That would be fair to all the designers who put in hours of work here and it would still be doing the job of showcasing the best logo's. I mean If it really is just a case of showing off good logos for the image of the site then old logos would do the same job, they would be selling the site and prompting buyers to check out other parts of the site.
Please read this thread http://stocklogos.com/topic/staff-favourites-section
The thread is little old now, but I did it to dispell these perceived myths about the staff favourites section etc. Let's not dig up old arguments again ;) All I would say is this, many designers submit LOTS of logos by comparison to others, so by simple law of averages their submissions will make the staff favourite section more.
We don't want to dig up old threads, but I think you and staff are underestimating the importance of Staff Favorited section.
*** visibility is everything ***
I respect Ivan and his hard work (24h/day) but he should put much attention to staff favorited selection process, as it heavily influences sales (direct and indirect, such as logos that are not 'staff favorited' but are in the portfolio of designers who have many favorited logos).
I think law of averages doesn't matter here, a good logo is a good logo and a poor logo is a poor logo.
Law of averages IS everything if we're talking about exposure of designs. If a designer like Logosoul, Nancy Carter or Melanie D for example are submitting three or more quality logos a week on average, then it stands to reason that such prolific designers will get more favourited logos. Simple mathematics.
The key to visibility of a design is not as black and white as some people believe. While being in the favourites section may give you more visibility, this is only true if your design appears on the front page, OR if a client can be bothered to look through that section, OR the design fits the requirements of the purchaser. Visibility of a design is also down to the designers to promote their work and tell people it's here to buy. NancyCarterDesign for example is constantly tweeting her work, and blogging the work of hers and other members on her website. That kind of repeated exposure will have far greater impact on potential sales, than relying solely on one small section of this site.
In your portfolio Chrisworks, you have 41 designs compared with NancyCarter having 301 designs. Logosoul has 792 designs! Seriously, these designers get exposure because first and foremost their work is good (not saying yours isn't BTW), but there is also a lot of it, so it's easier to see. It stands to reason that such prolific designers will be seen more if there is more of it, irrespective of what section it sits in! I fail to see what people don't understand about this.
But you're right, a good logo is a good logo and will sell regardless.... eventually ;)
Anyway, this is way off topic... so lets put this old topic to bed. Peace.
There are many threads about this topic.
Still nobody wants to show a specific logo..
Read the thread, a specific logo has been mentioned as an example.
Hello,
Concerning the Staff Favorites section, it has been debated to death in the past... But here's a nice quote taken from the topic that first introduced this section (link): "I added a new feature suggested and requested by several designers on the front page: Staff Favorites page. It showcases the best logos from our large collection. It's partly a subjective selection, therefore it will never be fair or perfect. Don't be offended if your logo isn't in there. We hope this will create a more appealing front page and also generate more sales." [quoted from admin]
I do agree that it creates a more appealing front page and it has been said before that it does not generates more sales directly. I do believe that by creating a more appealing front page, we are making sure that the new clients stay a little longer and use the search tool.
Ivan explains it very nicely (see this link): "You guys asked for the best logos be highlighted in the first place. We didn't have it originally. The idea for staff favorites is to have a front page with great logos, so when client lands on the page he sees good stuff and not average latest logos. It helps the site overall and helps sell all logos. Designers have to understand how client's mind works when he arrives to the site. I know because I chat with many every day. They do not buy the logo they like regardless of what the subject is. They never ever come to the site see a favorited logo and say "I want that"! It doesn't make sense. They look for a specific subject and pick the best one from the list presented to them. So all logos on the site have the same chance of being sold regardless if they are picked for staff favorites or not. The reason the staff favorites sell statistically better is not because they are highlighted, but simply they are better looking logos." [quoted from admin]
Concerning the implementation of a star-voting-system or something similar, I will be afraid that it would get abused. If this gets implemented, it would be impossible to filter malicious votes. So, at the very least, let's make sure that users get to vote only once per logo and also, let's make sure that users can't vote for their own logo.
Also, have anybody tried the BotW Logo Critique on our sister site Brands of the World? Ivan introduced this a couple of months ago here: http://stocklogos.com/topic/logo-critique
Peace,
Spintherism.
I don't think a voting system is needed at all, and I agree it would get abused! A simple series of questions that the admin asks of the design during the approval process is all that is needed. The questions, if done properly would be fair, unbiased and truthful. SImple questions that any individual, regardless of skill level can answer honestly and truthfully.
1. Concept or idea? - Good, average or poor?
2. Skill or execution of the design? - Good, average or poor?
3. Usability of the logo? - Good, average or poor?
Some designs will score highly in one or two areas, but may fail on number three for example. This is not totally crucial, but it's important because a good logo should be usable across many different media and formats if possible. Some clients will be looking for this attribute. The other areas like one and two could score average and still get submitted, or a request made to make subtle changes for approval to be granted.
I don't think there needs to be a complex system in place that involves everyone. Peace :)
Hi,
I believe that usability of the logo is important, yes, but... Some clients have expressed the need of a logo for one usage only (as indicated by some briefs, at least). Maybe these clients are not thinking of the future... But in the meantime, here are two thoughts:
a) Why don't we ask the staff to implement a usability section in the Upload Logo form for every logo (check-boxes listing vinyl cutting, offset printing, silkscreen, web, et cetera). So clients (particularly non-technical clients) can see right away how a particular logo can be used; icons would be nice. This could even be used as a search criteria.
b) With the implementation of alternative versions of logos (coming soon), it will be clear that some designers have created several versions of logos (negative, one color only, no-gradients, et cetera) and so, the usability of a particular logo will increase. Of course, it goes without saying that all versions will be downloadable upon purchase. Right now, some logos seem to have poor usability simply because the designer can not show more than one version. I'm really looking forward to this new feature.
Peace,
Spintherism.
all my shits legend. lol
I agree :)
I saw many good ideas here, but the main important thing is that the 'client' is the most important,
I had client that from 5 concept they chose the worst one...and i told them them y idea...but with no result...they saw something that i didn't...
It was for a '......' business and it was started by the client idea of a pyramid
I've build 2 stylish pyramids/ a #1 cup award prize with initials on it/ a letter-mark symbol and a simple square....- no gradients no nothing....
...and he chose the square. :)
My point is that the client needs all of the so called 'bad' or 'great' or 'sustainable' logos and chose the one he likes. U need to love it as it is, as u can't build/ create something great if u don't' love it.
and don't think that any one that is participating here has the right to judge - that is the client part
Oh agreed, there is no accounting for client tastes - I've been in the same position with clients choosing weaker ideas over more laboured ones. But there has to be a line or level - a baseline if you will, by which we judge future submissions. Well, that's what I think anyway.
This topic has been discussed before, and I think there are a couple of problems:
Taste is subjective, I've seen logos in the favourites that I personally think are horrible. Who decides what is good and what is not? You just can't account for personal tastes.
Illustrations vs logos: many clients seem to want more of an illustrative logo. For instance, though the client also purchased a logo, she specifically asked for a couch illustration:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/theresaperfetto2
That's why the approval process must be based on simple laws that are truthful and honest and without bias. I believe that this is more than achievable if common sense is applied. I feel that if we can do this, we will still see a very broad range of designs submitted that cover all tastes, only leaving some submissions to be reworked for resubmission or binned altogether.
I think is Right for the designers to say what is nice and what is ugly for this website.
Many other things are discussed in this site and I think this is why the site is more reliable and
increase sales.
If any logo is not nice and professional i think the right think is to be removed
The admin does not have enough time to be a gudge for this issue.
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Any feedback for my work? Much appreciated
You do fine with the geometrics, but not so great when you try to draw things.
Overall, I would say your weak points are line quality and use of color. Take some drawing classes. Look for "open life drawing" for the best results. Expect to be really frustrated at first.
If there aren't any good drawing classes in your area, get the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and do the exercises in it. Don't just read it and think about doing the exercises, really DO them.
You'll start seeing things in new ways, and it will be easier to get that extra "oomph" that line quality can add.
Ok... I think I'm brave enough. Any feedback for me? I really want to improve and I'd be very grateful.
This is exactly why I removed my logos from this site. I really was concerned about the quality of approved work here.
I also don't understand how the staff favorites are chosen if this is currently one of them: http://stocklogos.com/logo/growth-industry
I don't mean to be insulting but, I really worry about future clients/buyers leaving before they have a chance to find the logos done by hard workers. Not just people looking for a quick paycheck.
I totally agree (periods and commas included)
Thanks for the feeback guys, I agree. I removed that logo from favs.
I find the colors unattractive, but it's nicely done ugly. After the success of the Nike swoosh, we can hardly call any logo "too simple".
I personally don't like this one, but it would pass my "aesthetic filter", as at least looking like it was done by someone who cares about their work. Looking at Logosoul's portfolio, I see they can do better, but I don't think they're a punter.
Hurray!!!! Someone finally agreeing exactly with what I was saying a few months ago on here. Nothing against Nancy as I said back then but having her whole collection put into staff favs was totally wrong, sure some are very worthy of the staff favs but some where just the run of the mill mediocre logos!
Since that little bust up I have noticed it's become a bit more selective and so it should be. From my point of view I've only ever seen probably 15 or so logos that are actually top, top quality here on SL. Just look around other sites like logopond and logomoose, there are several hundred i regard as very good. Yes I know the staff favs are a 'shop window' as said to me so many times by Ivan but they need to be top quality logos not the average Joe ones. If not the site becomes discredited. It already is amongst some other sites, logopond included. They were never fond of Brandstack and now see SL as the new Brandstack.
I've also read the comments about how the design community were over the moon to see it go, logo design love featured this and I noted your comments there also. I think your right and SL needs to step up aesthetically.
Brandstack is actually coming back it would appear.
I also read that. I think they would have a hard time due to not paying designers last time.
I warned the designers there when I was #1 seller and I wasn't being paid for my sales. Nobody listened to me or believed me at first and then suddenly, they're emailing me and asking me what they should do about not being paid. It was a big mess.
I agree. If I make ugly logos i would like to know it
You do have a problem with this one. http://stocklogos.com/logo/seven-seas-consulting
The sails are divided into separate shapes at the mast and prow, which makes me think your shapes are abutted, instead of overlapping. This can cause problems with printing.
Combine the pieces of the sails into solid rectangles, and tuck them behind the brown parts. This will give you a better looking gradient, consistent across the sail, and print better, as well.
You may also want to re-think HOW the gradients should be applied. You have the whole ship lit from the side, which is unlikely. Lighting the mast from the side makes sense, because it's the only way to give it shape, but you probably should play with the direction on everything else. Also think about color. Your sails are white and grey. How would they look in white and dull cream? Your boat is light and dark brown. How would it look if the light side was warmer (more yellow), and the dark side was cooler (more blue), as though it were reflecting the sea?
Not terrible, but does need more work.
So, this one does NOT pass my aesthetic filter.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/seven-seas-consulting
How about now professor?:)
Oh, that's much better!
Thnx professor:)
Taste is highly subjective, so I would be wary of individuals asking directly for advice from other designers. Only because I can envisage a situation when someone say something negative and offense is taken, and yet another site argument starts!
The quality of logo submissions does not have to be judged or valued on taste. Objective evaluation of concept, skill and usefulness OR similar values is all that is needed to judge work effectively. Any designers asking for advice about their work can use this simple notion to judge their own work objectively.
Ok i would like to know too, about my designs i mean, hang on Clair im with you. Just to clarify that im not a professional designer :-)
I don't think being professional has anything to do with being a good designer to be honest. Many amateurs make exceptional designs and many professionals make awful designs. Sometimes being free of the 'professional' tag means designers are far more likely to take risks and explore ideas and concepts that professionals won't touch. That is a good freedom to have :)
i agree
Hello, Maybe my post do not will read nor is taken into account, as in other post on the Forum, but I have to say it.
First say I know that my logos are not as good as the yours, that I am not a professional of the logo, , but if I have more than 15 years working in advertising in press and radio stations. Do not think that the post is well titled, aesthetic? is who here the guru who can say that it is aesthetically correct or not? which one you can love one work and to another can do you damage to the eyes, that is all very subjective. Clients send, as mentioned earlier, you can present a few work fine, stylized, and together with them one coarse and if the client likes Tosk, who are your to say that it is not what they should buy, I've seen here purchase lgoos that have hurt the eyes.
For example, I love the work of Tabita (Although I miss his proposal to "transform your pain"), and black and white with force, the color already come later. There are other designers who make very nice logos in color, when I have to put in a fax, two spots of ink on paper without sense. As others have said, because we are not going to basics? concept and functionality, the execution could come later too. Let's see who dares to put a brief in the qeu matching all black and white logos, positive and negative, perhaps us we got any to another surprise.
in Brand of the word, in the section of critics, I have seen that neither those who they themselves call him great designers will agree, see criticism of logos that one likes the idea, and not others, or color, or the fonts, and they do not always coincide the same people. With the term aestetic, we are talking about something very subjective, it is something personal, better talk of other things. To be a logo, a good logo, say experts, should be: simple, UNIQUE, UNIQUE, UNIQUE, and i can see many very similar logos, lack of imagination, (do helical? a day on the street I found a poster and a van with the same helical, and were two different business and different companies) I'm tired of seeing the same helical, the same cuts in squares, circles or drops, the same things over and over again, but this fashion, a logo should not be fashion, it must be the image of a company for many years, beautiful or ugly, but that always attracts attention and not lead to confusion with another company
I challenge them to put the one brief whatever the two versions, colour and black and white together, in two different files together, and see if we are still talking about aesthetics or functionality
Ahhh, and for me the work of some designers from here who say of themselves that they are good, really I do not like, and the work of the some others i admire a lot. but.. who am i for say if your work is good or not?
Good day and be happy
Hi JZAR,
many times I have to debate about this topic. You say that aesthetics is questionable, subjective, everything is subject to taste, ... but this isn't true. We must all recognize the great value of the critical. There are clear and unambiguous criteria, and hundreds of books to properly evaluate the aesthetics of a work in any field (painting, photography, sculpture, etc...). Who decided that museums should host the works of Leonardo or Van Gogh and not mine (if I were a painter) ? Everithing is subjective ? No, it isn't.
Make a very simple exercise: go to logoturn.com and take 10 minutes to observe published logo to evaluate concept/idea, execution, technique, usability, etc. .. and then come back to StockLogos and do the same thing. Do you still think that everything is questionable and aesthetical is subjective ?
Yes, it is true, some (perhaps too many) buyers choose and buy ugly logos, but this don't make them beautiful logos...
without controversy,
chrisworks
agree 100%
Maybe not explain to me, let's see, there are works that are unquestionable, but others are relative, sorry but you put leonardo o van goh, also velazquez, rembrand or botticelli, but... what say me about miro or basquiat? or other more....
I think that we should concern ourselves more to make an image for an industry that is utlizable in different media and is UNIQUE (a logo quality must be able to identify the company after some time without the name, for example, nike, apple, McDonalds...) but if that is a nice picture much better, is what I mean I, there is original ideas "shared" here. and I repeat, I speak from the more absolute ignorance, and i accept all the criticisms because of them i can learn from you... Yes, I've go by the page that you've said, and the difference is... Needless to say it not? but think that there is another difference, there are 17 designers elected, here there are hundreds, and without choice, let me i choose 10 of the here and take their logos and that no one possible uploading? really the quality go to up but the sales will go to down. its bad for the owners website
I disagree, chrisworks.
Taste is very subjective. Clients are buying logos that others might find ugly, because they really like them = taste.
Picasso's work is considered awesome. I think it is crap. It shows absolutely no artistic talent. It is what others consider doodling. Yet, millions would obviously disagree with me.
There is just no accounting for tastes.
100 % agree, that is i want to say, but i write too much, you are more clear
Hi Avalkimom,
did you read what I wrote? I'm not discussing about taste, which is subjective.
In my comment I was discussing on the aesthetic ***objective*** criteria for evaluation of a logo that are well known and shown in various forums (e.g. LogoFactory and many others). If you look around (even in this topic), there are dozens and dozens of "shared recommendations" and guidelines to follow on how to make a logo (readability, simplicity, usability , coupling between text and image, spacing, colors coupling, etc...). These are facts, not opinions or tastes. I have to re-explain or did you understand what I mean ?
Bye,
chrisworks
Yep, read what you wrote. I have no further comments on this topic.
this seems that will go on forever....
the taste is up to the client, not designers...
I really don't see the problem , as good designs will always be in-front of them...they will have more faves/ tweets/ likes... - so i don't see a big problem at all...
so their drawings or color swatch is not yet polished, and they learning it ....is that such a big crime....
we should all act like a community, and possible guide them how make them amazing...
after all the intellectual property is more valuable than a good trace and color combination....that i saw on some ...
Nobody on SL can guide someone to creating amazing logos over the internet. It's not that simple.
100 % agree
In my country there is a proverb, "in the country of the blind the one-eyed man is King" is, if we are many bad, better for the mediocre so highlight as good and sell more than if are only they surrounded by good.
Here's one that would not pass my aesthetic review.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/cupcake-factory
bugs the hell out of me that it shows up on the first page of "most viewed". Although, it's probably from people who can't believe it got accepted showing it to other people.
Ouch. Looks like it was created in MS Paint.
Like you say that logo could actually be referenced or linked from other site to show how bad it is. I did this recently with the very bad logos I saw on logobids.com. They were terrible and to be honest I think it was someone having a laugh just like the gingerburrito logo recently.
Actually, that hadn't even occurred to me but I think you're onto something. Other designers sign up, make something deliberately horrible, upload it and see if it's accepted. It makes SL look really REALLY bad and they get a few laughs.
That's what I'm concerned about. I have seen sites of various sorts killed by stupid teenagers posting nastiness.
There needs to be *some* sort of filter for acceptance, even if it's seldom used. Ginger Burrito should never have appeared on this site.
I would be careful though of self appointed site police, simply because it can lead to a lot of site ugliness. We've seen time and again what happens when members get banned or feel like they're being unduly picked upon, all hell breaks loose. I've seen some incredibly nasty and evil things said by disgruntled members. I have proof that as well by the way. The approval process needs to be more stringent to help avoid this happening. If that means submissions taking a bit longer, then so be it.
Amen to that. What SL probably needs really is a very qualified reviewing committee either from Ivan's staff or of carefully picked member designers here that would quality control the logos for sale. For the briefs, here is where the star ratings system can probably be applied on the submitted works, with the project holder, not anyone else acting as the quality controller. and the star ratings is controlled only by a project holder and not like before where anyone can.
If there is a star rating I think it should be private between client and designer - Otherwise you could have a lot of people not bother submitting because of high ratings when in fact the client was still looking at his options? One of the reasons I like Design Crowd for briefs (except for the lack of feedback at times).
no way...no star rating!!!!!!
how the client will have diversity? then everybody will copy ranked! #.
u find it ugly...i find it RETRO....not ugly...
You're kidding right?
we talking about the cupcake? dude its shit. plain and simple
Not ugly, unprofessional. Ugly I don't mind.
Ugly can be seen as beautiful to some people, as my girlfriend does with me lol but some are just taking the p***. The Ginger burrito was a pi** taker no doubt.
Removed. Thanks
love to browse staff favs :D, i think should be renamed into "staff logos" !!! If som1 got better and more suitable name pls say it .
I guess one of the solutions regarding this esthetically issue is for the logos to be judged before published and ranked as: "not Stock Logos quality", "accepted" or "staff favorites" just like Brandstack once was!
I am pretty sure that at least 30% of the total logos on this site, today, wouldn't have been approved by the Brandstack staff to be published on the web-site (when Brandstack was in it's good days, obviously). The number of logos on StockLogos will drop...but the overall quality will increase significantly!
I want to mention a second thing, logos on this site DO sell... so, let's suppose any of us owned this website...would you change much if business was doing well? i'm pretty sure i won't!
Any thoughts on this one? thanks :) !
What???
you wanna tag designs or designers ..if so where is the free arbiter then, the option for clients? is gone?
it has to stick only with 'corporate branding' even if he is looking for a funny non generic shapes and gradients?
MAN the taste is not something u discuss, is just a part of you, who defines you.
just like food, some is considered TABOO by some, but not for all.
there so many styles for logo...not all are looking for the polished work, the web 5.9, 3.6,etc...etc....some are looking for the old fashion...something that a 'new age' designer can't express as he is sicked with the gradients, corporate, business, the cartoon is style is upgraded..., etc...etc...
and i just hate the people that are discouraging new designers...every designer has a unique approach...
P.S.
5.9, 3.6 :)
I love the idea of a critique forum. As a new designer still learning the trade I would see something like that as a valuable tool to help improve my designs. So with that being said if anyone would be willing to critique my work I would be most thankful.
http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/critique
here's a good place for critiques
I was just thinking, the best thing for people who want critique to do (since there's not a critique forum) is each start their own thread. Then there can be discussion from everyone, and nobody gets lost in the chatter.
I have to run this story again.
Of course, everyone should get a chance to earn some extra money. This site is created for that.
And above all, site is more and more popular thanks to designer, and of course thanks to Ivan who hard work for all of us.
But logos such as these bring bad reputation. In my opinion these are not the logos. Of course, and to this guys must be given a chance. But just in case to made some better logos.
Here is some examples:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/ewe-follow
http://stocklogos.com/logo/gerbull
http://stocklogos.com/logo/hoodie
http://stocklogos.com/logo/water-droplets-0
http://stocklogos.com/logo/doors-0
http://stocklogos.com/logo/greybull
http://stocklogos.com/logo/faaaat
http://stocklogos.com/logo/schnapps
ETC...
Sorry guys you have mentioned here, but really, you need work and learn much harder. Take a look at these designers portfolio:
http://stocklogos.com/user/nancycarterdesign
http://stocklogos.com/user/logosoul
http://stocklogos.com/user/phunkmonster
http://stocklogos.com/user/justoverclock
http://stocklogos.com/user/tabithakristen
http://stocklogos.com/user/melanie-d
http://stocklogos.com/user/thaerna
I am telling you all, from the best intentions.
In the end, when you create a logo, make as to make for yourself.
Aw, I think some of those are cute. Ewe Follow is cute. Schnapps isn't really too bad but might not work at a smaller size. Some of those are pretty rough but, not all of them.
Well, yes, maybe is cute. But i think that is more sketch than logo. May be passed as a drawing in some children's books but as logo...I am not sure.
I think a little filtering would be good - but not like BrandStack. I think that was their down fall - elitism.
I removed most of them. Thanks.
Some sites have contributors submit an acceptance portfolio, before they are allowed to submit for the site. Usually it's ten images. They can keep trying, but have to get ten good images before they can put anything up for sale.
This keeps out the punters, and can help new designers by giving them input on "acceptable" vs "not acceptable" submissions. They can keep improving until they get in.
This would keep the overall quality up without nit picking on individual logos.
+1
I think it would also eliminate worries about differences in "taste". Once someone was approved, they wouldn't get any more aesthetic reviews, since they could be expected to have an idea of what's good. The "some people love them, some people hate them" logos would still get in, but not the ones nobody likes.
Yes, I agree (this is the typical admission process of stockart sites like shutterstock). At least this would be an entry barrier that would raise the overall quality. Quality is *THE* big issue to be addressed by SL (competitors are aggressive, some are resurrected...)
This morning I opened the homepage of stocklogos (its business card) and I saw the following things (no offense to anyone):
1. http://stocklogos.com/logo/modernista-0 : this logo isn't too bad, but LOGOSOUL has a lot of good logos in his portfolio (e.g. http://stocklogos.com/logo/tropical-star), why this for Staff Fav'd ?
2. http://stocklogos.com/logo/ewe-follow : this is a poor quality logo, look at the use of thickness of the contour line, he/she simply used a standard AI thickness option without thickness modulation
3. http://stocklogos.com/logo/gerbull : This should be a bull ? There must be something I can't see..
4. http://stocklogos.com/logo/circlet : there's some blank rectangles behind the image. This is unprofessional, how could this be sold ? Furthermore, the naming "Your company name" should be avoided, it produces a feeling of stock/cheap/replicable/not-unique
5. http://stocklogos.com/logo/water-droplets-0 : the naming "Your company name" should be avoided
6. http://stocklogos.com/logo/longa-travel : same ad bullet 4)
7. http://stocklogos.com/logo/green-pipeline: ouch!! colors coupling is devastating, typeface is horrible, what's this ? It seems a random 'Pathfinder tool' use on a series of circles...
8. http://stocklogos.com/logo/follow-code : What's this ? Concept ? Technique ? What should it communicate ?
and these are just the most obvious problems...
In Nancy Carter's shoes, if I saw my new three logos side2side to above ones I wouldn't be so happy 'cause a potential buyer may run away from here before he can see them...
http://stocklogos.com/user/abphotodesigner?page=1
This is just someone futzing around with their graphics program and posting the results. Most of these are nowhere near useable as logos.
http://stocklogos.com/logo/green-world-4
Maybe it's just my imagination, but that sure looks like a Dreamstime watermark on the globe in the middle.
Each of these struck me as well... well, Mickeyy's hadn't stuck out to me, tho.
http://stocklogos.com/user/abphotodesigner is clearly a new designer, and I wouldn't want to be too discouraging, but I do think that his body of work should be reconsidered.
Another portfolio that is marked with amateurish work is http://stocklogos.com/user/swede but don't lose that giraffe logo! It's adorable!
Swede is my mother. She's learning! I'm teaching her personally :)
I asked for improvement on some of her logos. Please help her.
Nancy, in my comment I got you as reference cause your last three logos were on the first page of the site and their quality was clearly above the average level of today's homepage. Of course the same goes for any other valid designer.
Mickeyy is a valid and talented artist (I know him from the age of Brandstack). He has more than one interesting logo in today's homepage, but the one I shown should be fixed.
I removed most of abphotodesigner's logos, but I could just delete the whole account. None of his logos are good enough for us. :(
Actually I helped my mother create Ewe Follow so I can guarantee she did no such thing. She's still learning and I don't think her work is anywhere near as bad as.... say.... THIS http://stocklogos.com/logo/faaaat o_O
Also, Gerbull, it has horns. How can you not see the horns? lol
Stop giving her false encouragement.
I'm not, I'm helping her. There's a difference. False encouragement would be if I told her to upload those logos to Brandstack during it's good days. This is stocklogos.com, I don't think her logos could ever be singled out as the problem on this website.
Aaaand, here we have it folks. StockLogos is considered a low quality site, even by its contributors.
Yes Darla, How could you blame her ? .... She is right, her mother's designs are better than others on SL.
A large portion of it, yes. I've said this many times. It's just my opinion though and I'm only one of thousands and thousands of people here so, it means nothing.
LOL ! I don't envy you, you have a lot of work to do, but we are patient :o)
http://stocklogos.com/logo/faaaat is really ugly but it was for a brief , it'd never be present in the "showcase" section...
Brief or not, holy cow. It's like, MS Paint art.
In answer to No 1
If a designer has a lot of really good logos that are likely to sell, then putting that designers whole collection within favs will point potential buyers to those logos and then it's more likely the site will sell ( and that designer ).
Let's not beat around the bush here, this site is not a charity for designers wanting to offload unwanted concepts. It's a business like any other, it's here to make money.
Some of these logos are, in my opinion, people having a laugh. Probably the anti spec council setting up accounts and posting shite to see if it gets accepted. It has and it makes the site look very unprofessional. The Gerbull logo is definitely a p*** take. This, I'm afraid and again my opinion, is down to admin being overworked and accepting straight away.
On a good point, fastest payment today, within hours of a sale! Well done on that score admin!!
The Gerbul design is by Swede, and if you read through the thread further, this designer is Tabitha's mum! Needless to say I'm unsure of what to make of this situation, seeing as Tabitha and other designers have been openly critiquing logo submission of less than average standard. Yet here we have a new designer, who under any other circumstance would be treated the same way, but isn't. Read into that what you will.
Good news about the payment system though, good to know.
It doesn't matter whose done the logo, it's not of a standard to be on here. It makes SL look poor. Swede needs to take idea and expand on it until it's of a standard to publish. It's a learning curve and it helps new designers. I know, I'm one. In design years I'm only a year old!
Have you thought that Swede could actually be Tabitha making a point about bad logos?
lol her Gerbull logo makes SL look bad? You're kidding me right? Have you seen the really terrible stuff that goes up here? Give me a break. It's a silhouette of a gerbil/bull. It's not something that was made in MS Paint. Look at these:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/three-kinds-people
http://stocklogos.com/logo/hidden-egg-jewel-discover
http://stocklogos.com/logo/shop-herecom
http://stocklogos.com/logo/batata-2
http://stocklogos.com/logo/crazy-eye
http://stocklogos.com/logo/fun-web-portal
http://stocklogos.com/logo/thehomesellers02
http://stocklogos.com/logo/speed-solutions
http://stocklogos.com/logo/orphan
http://stocklogos.com/logo/still-hungry
http://stocklogos.com/logo/bad-duck
Don't tell me any of those are better than a simple silhouette of a gerbil.
Tabitha, please don't take it the wrong way, I'm completely with you and agree but even so it's not selling standard, although yes it's a better effort than the ones you have pointed out. Crazy eye is so so wrong, it has two favs also?????
For a respected designer yourself, can I ask why you would allow this to be put forward ? That's why people have become suspicious.
What to be put forward? A silhouette of a gerbil and a bull? What's wrong with it? It has an actual concept, isn't so busy that it couldn't work in a smaller size, would be memorable and was designed correctly. That's much more than I can say for a very large amount of designs on this website.
I removed most of them. Thanks
Swede is someone who would probably eventually make it past the entry review. But not until they were able to consistently create good logos. GirHalf is encouraging.
As I said, there should be a chance for everyone. Besides the imagination and creativity everything else is a matter of practicing and learning in graphic programs and trend monitoring.
I think we do not need anyone to discourage. Just help to made some better work.
I am sure that thabitas mother besides her will do much better.
For me this logo is solid http://stocklogos.com/logo/qats.
The only question is whether they want to get ahead or not. All of us learning in lifetime.
I like that one, too.
Something I can say for my mother's work is that she'll only get better from here. A lot of the designers here with exceptionally bad work (I promise not to name names or point fingers) don't have anyone to teach them like my mother does. I'm not saying I'm qualified to teach someone necessarily but, I can help with the basics and she'll improve.
A few days ago you wrote: "But logos such as these bring bad reputation. In my opinion these are not the logos. Of course, and to this guys must be given a chance. But just in case to made some better logos."
Then today you wrote: "As I said, there should be a chance for everyone. ... I think we do not need anyone to discourage. Just help to made some better work."
Make peace with your brain. Would you publish or not these logos ?
When I arrived on Brandstack, the first three logos I submitted were rejected so I was really disappointed and didn't understood how this could have happened (I thought them were good logos after all). So I rolled up my sleeves, sharpened my nails, and tried again studying new concepts, redoing all SVG tutorials I found online, observing hundreds of logos made by the most talented artists, reading articles and guidelines, developing my own style... Today, I thank BS for refusing my first 3 logos...This is the way to improve, not giving newbies the possibility to publish ugly logos to sell for a few cents.
Finally I think an entry barrier is required to increase quality, otherwise anyone could upload their stuff (even my sister who doesn't know what a pencil is), top designers (if any) will leave and SL will sell cheap and ugly logos for pennies like every other clipart site.
Sorry for the length...
Some of these are bad logos, and I would not publish them in my opinion. When I say chance for everyone I mean some critique section for rejected logos when designers with more experience will tell whats wrong with them and help new designers to made some better works.
P.C. Peace V
The discussion about good or bad is as old as the profession of graphic designers. I think, beyond all fashions and tastes is the main thing that logos are a service. As different as the customers may also be the designs. An exclusive logo for a copy shop is just as wrong as a cheap for a jeweler. Of course there are also bad logos on SL. But the bad logos are often very cheap. Customers who shop here want finally save money. Otherwise They would hire a graphic designer directly.
I think the debate shows the importance of staff-favorites on the SL homepage. They show the existing quality. What I lack is a sort function for "most favorited" and perhaps a division "favorited by designers only" or something similar.
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It is SO sad reading all these things here. Many of you act like were born with years of graphic experience and just point finger to the rest how bad they are. Let me ask you something Darla and Nancy - did your teachers use this method to teach you how to draw, by saying you how bad you are? Nancy, tell me how this design work as a logo - http://stocklogos.com/logo/love-bird-candy-shop. How you prefer to say it - "it's bad, it's not a logo" or "hey, this is nice and the concetp is good but you have to simplify it, maybe get rid of the swirls and the dots, leave the tree and the swirl of the end to be actually the wing of the bird". Darla - i'm sory but i don't see logo design in your porfolio here. You are doing great in your work and have a great illustrating skills but they are too complicate to be called logo designs. Try to make them as simple as possible while keeping the idea. Start designing in one color and check constantly if they work in small size and still the details are visible. No offence.
Every one of us has been at the begining in this. Some of us shorter, some longer. I think the best way to act is when you see "unprofessional" logo to stop by and write few words how it can be improved with your expirienced vision. You know, give some advice. Right now it looks like pointing the bad is making you happier rather than helping beginers with advices or insiration sources or learning sources. What i mean:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/round-around vs. http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/95319
They both use the same tool to create a single design but you point how this guy just snap some objects with the tool and put them here as a logo. Well i have to tell, i find the one here more original that the one on logopond. Even i have such design and i wonder if i put it on logopond will be in the gallery and people say WOW, GREAT. The reason i was staying away from this is just i don't think it's way this should go but after read all these (i don't know how to call it) i am so angry and dissapointed at the same time.
Ther is no community here on stocklogos. If there was such there wouldn't be treatds like saying "Hey, let point the crap so we can laugh." It is sad.
Simple enough for you?
http://stocklogos.com/logo/biopharm-bear
Hey, don't turn it like that. My intension is not to make you feel you're not good. It's the oposite. You are very good at what you do but i wanted to help with what i know about logo design - less is more. First i'm not a fan of this kind of positioning of the elements but it depends on the case and the feel a logo should carry. There is a disproportion in yuor designs between the logo and text and this is where the simplicity of the design comes. Imagine the name is "COMPANY" or "company". Type it, then put the bear to the left and see how big you should make it to see the details, i mean the overall look and not every corner. When you scale it to the size of the name and if it's not clear then you should simplify it till it gets the right size and visibility. You say by yourself you're new to logo design and it's normal to mistake some things considered as basic for esteticaly good logo design. Every one does it. And anyone can find such mistakes in others' work if he looks for. The question is what you're going to do after that - call him loser or help him with something you know and he does not. I'm not some master of the logo design and i make mistakes, some will find my logos bad, some will find them good. So everyone has something better that the other AND the oposite.
Ah, I see. You're not talking about the complexity of the images, but the difference between image recognition, and word recognition.
Your approach is that the words are the important part, such as the ones used by 3M, FedEx, and Wal-Mart.
I'm doing the approach that the image is the important part, such as in logos used by Nike, World Wildlife Fund, Mercedes, and United Way.
One of the problems with critiquing is seeing things in other ways. For example, I really, really like to outline things. I just do. So, when I look at a logo that doesn't have outlines, it looks "wrong". I have to separate *that* kind of "wrong" from really wrong when offering an opinion on a logo.
You have a good portfolio. They are professional looking, and well designed. I don't *like* them, but I can see that they are good logos.
That's part of why I think the entry portfolio is a good idea. Once someone has shown that they can consistently produce technically solid, professional looking logos, they're in, and can try different things. EVEN if getting in means spending some time catering to the taste of whoever is reviewing portfolios, that would still show that the designer is capable of that creative flexibility. Once they've passed, they can do their own style. (hopefully, the review process would not be biased, though)
Well, I wouldn't really say yours (Darla) are like Nike or the World Wildlife Fund. 3M and Fedex have wordmarks/logotypes, the others have symbol type logos. Your approach is more of an illustration type logo. Closer to the complexity of the original Starbucks logo.
No, i'm talking about the complexity of the images themeself. I also pointed that you make them very big regarding the text. The importance of the image doesn't mean to be exposed and everything else in the logo to be small. The logos you point are wordmarks, that means the names themeselfs are the visual image. Fedex doesn't have symbol separatly and the star in the wall mart is not cosidered as a symbol.
About the outlines - while you like them and sometimes it's good to use them but sometimes they are just unnessesary and add heavyness to the design. So you have to make the barier between your taste and when it's appropriate to use it.
I respect your opinion and I'm sure you'll receive much appreciation for what you wrote.
But the point is that (fundamentally) we are all here to sell logos, and there is a very practical problem that threatens to make the site full of rubbish and can scare away customers. What do you suggest about this ? Make a lesson to every newbie ?
You're right in what you say but i don't think this is the way we should say one is bad and his work is crap. Here's an exsample - i say "this logo of your is a crap." Now tell me does this help you become better? Or maybe - "hey, i like this logo you've made and the concept but why don't you try to fix this, rework that till gets better". Now i believe you got my point. About the designs you are talking here, i think you should ask Ivan why they accepted. He's the one who publish them. But the question is what is acceptable and what not - a design could be creative http://www.logomoose.com/logo-design/mojito/ and not so creative http://www.indebleu.com/test/uploads/chase-bank-logo-584.jpg but it could be the perfect choise for one of the biggest financial institutions in the USA(if i'm not wrong). So it's not that easy.
Hi ghostd7,
in an ideal world you would be perfectly right. But we are humans, personally I haven't time to teach or leave comments on the work of other designers. My previous comments were only for the purpose of raising the issue of the quality level, I don't want to ridicule anyone.
On Brandstack there was a section called "FOR CRITIQUE" where all the novice designers could enter and submit their creations to receive comment in order to be accepted. This is the way to resolve the problem you addressed.
and ofc will be admin fav Oo
I personally like the idea of a portfolio or sample review before being allowed on the site, that might weed out some stuff but I still feel its a little scary to start allowing *ANYONE* on this site to just start reviewing anything and throwing opinions around like fact...I think that's a can of worms, potentially. I've seen a number of opinions expressed about logos that I think are not valid or constructive on the site. In addition, this is not art school, its a place to sell work- though I am not generally opposed to people asking for feedback of course.
How do stock photo sites handle this for example? That might be an interesting thing to figure out...
Also, I think there are only a few programs professional-ish people should be using to create this work, right? I only use Illustrator and only create vector art work (with accompanying jpg/etc files but original artwork is all vector). Is there a system in that that can be used? Most people doing professional-ish quality work should be somewhat up to industry standards. I am not sure what other programs would fit in there but could potentially also be used as a filter.
Just my 2 cents if it matters.
What is most revealing about this whole discussion is the lack of input or opinion of admin on this matter.
By no means having a go at the design here and certainly not the designer but these are the standards:
http://stocklogos.com/logo/flycatcher
... it's another one of those front page above the cut staff favourites.
I accept now that that's what goes here, nothing is going to change on that score..... so with that said what is the point in having an aesthetic review thread!
It would be a tough decision. If he decided to make a change in acceptance, should he delete the poor submissions, and make those designers re-submit? Or keep them, and only apply new standards to new submissions?
Who do you hire to help you with reviews? What instructions do you give them? How would the new programming work in the site?
There's a lot to consider.
I'm not having a go at the design, it is what it is I would probably accept it for the site if I was admin. The point I was trying to make is it has been chosen as a Staff Favourite and gains all the prestige, exposure and views that go with that. Back to point though that apparently is the level here after all it has been selected for the Top Section of the site so I don't see the point in an aesthetic review thread for other designers work.
I understand that everybody has an unique sens of design, believes a logo is beautiful and deserves to be "staff favorite" while other is not! It's sad that logos that will be published in top class design books, or logos declared "logo of the month"- judged by a competent jury are not among "staff favorites" !!
staff favorited is "a problem within the problem", but it seems that nobody cares about. It's absurd that your "polar bear" doesn't get the favd stripe.... things won't change here, hope i'm wrong...
THE END.
Well, there goes Swede's account. If these images are for sale on Zazzle, they should not be for sale as logos.
That's allowed. We've been through this before. They belong to her until the moment she sells them. If she sells a logo, it gets removed.
I don't think it's right for a buyer to see his newly purchase all rights logo on a random shirt somewhere.
Right. Ok, I can't do this with the people here anymore. It's like everyone here hates me no matter what I say or do. I haven't done a thing to any of you and I keep being insulted and treated like complete shit. I'm done. I even just DMed you on Twitter to get your opinion about why people here hate me and then you join in? Yea, I'm out.
This is the first time that I have to agree with you. ( I mean Nancy)
LOL All I have to say is that somewhere in the ending the posts were too right to the borders.. almost a word under a word - way too difficult to read :P :P :P
I have read through all the opinions and I removed many logos, we will raise the bar as you asked. At least I will try to. Don't expect to be perfect from now on, but we will strive to reach a higher level.
I'm closing this thread because it's too emotional and accusatory. I deleted some off-topic comments.
Please be nice and helpful to each other as much as possible.